shot end?

[mutantducky]

if a player goes for a jump shot, and a defender closes out quickly on D. Shot is up and player's toes hit the floor then the defender runs into him, preventing the player from making a safe landing. To me that is a shooting foul, 100% a shooting foul. If there is a jump shot then land(delay)then hit, then yes on the floor but I'm talking about these near simultaneous plays when the offensive player lands then contact. Those plays along with layups are in my opinion shooting fouls. I've simply seen all these plays called as shooting as they should. If I've seen differently I'd call it but I haven't.

exhausted this one, see you all in Hawaii.

[just another ref]

What is lost in all this is calling this a shooting foul is not necessarily an advantage for the offense. A1 shoots, returns to the floor, gets knocked on his butt by B1 "boxing out." Shot goes in. If you call it a shooting foul and A is in the bonus, he only gets one shot instead of one and one or two. Had you considered all this, ducky?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

if a player goes for a jump shot, and a defender closes out quickly on D. Shot is up and player's toes hit the floor then the defender runs into him, preventing the player from making a safe landing. To me that is a shooting foul, 100% a shooting foul. If there is a jump shot then land(delay)then hit, then yes on the floor but I'm talking about these near simultaneous plays when the offensive player lands then contact. Those plays along with layups are in my opinion shooting fouls. I've simply seen all these plays called as shooting as they should. If I've seen differently I'd call it but I haven't.

exhausted this one, see you all in Hawaii.

And you're still wrong. Once the player gets a foot down, it is NOT a shooting foul. It might be a foul, but not a shooting foul. Otherwise, you're going down a slippery slope...how much delay before it wouldn't be a shooting foul? Stick with the absolute demarcations that are clearly defined in the book and stop making stuff up and you'll do a lot better.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Shot is up and player's toes hit the floor then the defender runs into him, preventing the player from making a safe landing. To me that is a shooting foul, 100% a shooting foul.

100% sure, based on thirty-four years of officiating experience, including several years serving on our training committee, that this is not a shooting foul. I would bet my house on it.

Yes, he's allowed to land, but once he lands (toes on the floor) he's not allowed to taxi down the runway.

Is this microphone on?

[griblets]

Ok, so all of us (well, most of us) understand that the shot attempts ends when the airborne shooter returns to the floor. But when does the shot attempt end for a player that never leaves the floor? This is most often seen in girls games. I have not been able to find a rule to apply to determine a shooting vs. common foul.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by griblets

Ok, so all of us (well, most of us) understand that the shot attempts ends when the airborne shooter returns to the floor. But when does the shot attempt end for a player that never leaves the floor? This is most often seen in girls games. I have not been able to find a rule to apply to determine a shooting vs. common foul.

4-41-1
The act of shooting begins simultaneously with the start of the try or tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight, and includes the airborne shooter.

[griblets]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

4-41-1
The act of shooting begins simultaneously with the start of the try or tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight, and includes the airborne shooter.

Sometimes the answer is so simple. I just never read it in that way. Thanks for the reference.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

if a player goes for a jump shot, and a defender closes out quickly on D. Shot is up and player's toes hit the floor then the defender runs into him, preventing the player from making a safe landing. To me that is a shooting foul, 100% a shooting foul. If there is a jump shot then land(delay)then hit, then yes on the floor but I'm talking about these near simultaneous plays when the offensive player lands then contact. Those plays along with layups are in my opinion shooting fouls. I've simply seen all these plays called as shooting as they should. If I've seen differently I'd call it but I haven't.

exhausted this one, see you all in Hawaii.

By rule, not a shooting foul. In practice, I'm probably not seeing the toe hit the floor first. Using extreme examples in this case isn't helping your cause.