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Rich Sun Dec 14, 2014 04:24pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 946804)
Rich: Can the Kindle NFHS Rulebook be "downloaded" to a personal computer? Is it easy to copy, and paste, from the Kindle Edition? The PDF rulebook, and casebook, on my hard drive is from 2011-12, and is getting kind of old to be used to post on the Forum. Thanks.

I can view Kindle books and documents on my phone, tablet, or computer. It's nice having the rule book and case book in a seachable format anywhere I am.

BillyMac Sun Dec 14, 2014 04:57pm

Yes, I'm Old ...
 
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 946828)
I can view Kindle books and documents on my phone, tablet, or computer. It's nice having the rule book and case book in a seachable format anywhere I am.

In addition to being seachable, can you easily copy, and paste, to post citations on the Forum, from your personal computer, using the Kindle Edition of the NFHS rulebook, or casebook?

I have a personal computer, and a laptop. No tablet (I'm not even sure what that is). No smartphone (I still use an old fashioned flip phone. I don't get a great cell phone signal at home, or at work, so why bother? I only use my flip phone (with a blue tooth speaker) during my daily commute back, and forth, to work).

Rich Sun Dec 14, 2014 05:39pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 946831)
In addition to being seachable, can you easily copy, and paste, to post citations on the Forum, from your personal computer, using the Kindle Edition of the NFHS rulebook, or casebook?

Yes. That's what I did. From my laptop to the forum.

Rich Sun Dec 14, 2014 05:50pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 946718)
This video is sped up slightly which makes everything look weird.

New Lead should be at halfcourt, minimum, helping out with the press. You have 9 players in the backcourt so he's gotta be back there. He might be there, but can't tell.

Trail needs to go across the lane and administer the throw-in on that side. You can see C start to go to new Lead, he thought it was coming across.

I don't really care for the OOB signal from Trail.

I don't really care for the 3+ PC signals from Center.

Kudos to the white coach for keeping his assistants in check at least a bit.

New lead is in the backcourt.

Ball went out in the lane. Maybe I would've gone over there, but it's a nitpick at best.

Don't care about the OOB signal -- and neither should anyone else.

The selling of the PC foul was crucial. No problem with the emphasis or the number of calls.

I think it's a really well-offciated last 90 seconds. If I was on YouTube for this, I'd be happy with my work.

A Pennsylvania Coach Sun Dec 14, 2014 06:21pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 946834)
New lead is in the backcourt.

Ball went out in the lane. Maybe I would've gone over there, but it's a nitpick at best.

Don't care about the OOB signal -- and neither should anyone else.

The selling of the PC foul was crucial. No problem with the emphasis or the number of calls.

I think it's a really well-offciated last 90 seconds. If I was on YouTube for this, I'd be happy with my work.

Agree. I would like to see the foul get reported to the table, at least to clear up any potential confusion.

BillyMac Sun Dec 14, 2014 07:14pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 946833)
Yes. That's what I did. From my laptop to the forum.

Thanks. I may be buying myself an early Christmas present.

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constable Sun Dec 14, 2014 08:29pm

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 946799)
My $0.02 - screen #1 is illegal. Red #34 didn't allow White #5 time/distance to stop or change direction.


Nothing wrong with the screen. It isn't a blind screen so he doesn't have to give space. Even if he had to give space, the white team player takes several steps before the contact.

The mechanics from this crew are ridiculous though. Every call is oversold- even a timeout

Raymond Sun Dec 14, 2014 09:30pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 946834)
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Don't care about the OOB signal -- and neither should anyone else.

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Don't care about the signal either, but do care that he didn't put the ball in play across the lane where the ball went out.

JetMetFan Mon Dec 15, 2014 01:35am

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 946852)
Nothing wrong with the screen. It isn't a blind screen so he doesn't have to give space. Even if he had to give space, the white team player takes several steps before the contact.

The reason I have it as an illegal screen, in part, is NFHS 4-40-2c (The screener must be stationary, except when both are moving in the same path and the same direction). The screener wasn't stationary until his left foot hit the ground right before contact. At that moment, White #5 was in mid-stride so there was no way for him to stop and/or change direction.

But again, that's just me thinking out loud.

JRutledge Mon Dec 15, 2014 01:37am

I have a legal screen. The player runs into a player that is basically standing there.

I cannot tell if there was contact on the shot or the player tripped. It looked like a frantic sequence to the basket.

The final play looks like a clear PC foul. The issue seems to be if the basket would have counted anyway. But hard to tell with no audio and no foul being reported.

Peace

billyu2 Mon Dec 15, 2014 08:47am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 946883)
I have a legal screen. The player runs into a player that is basically standing there.

I cannot tell if there was contact on the shot or the player tripped. It looked like a frantic sequence to the basket.

The final play looks like a clear PC foul. The issue seems to be if the basket would have counted anyway. But hard to tell with no audio and no foul being reported.

Peace

I don't agree. Red #34 starts with both feet by the 3-line and at the last second over-steps (beyond shoulder width) into the path of the opponent leaving him virtually no time/distance to stop or change direction.

billyu2 Mon Dec 15, 2014 08:51am

4-40-2 c and d
 
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 946882)
The reason I have it as an illegal screen, in part, is NFHS 4-40-2c (The screener must be stationary, except when both are moving in the same path and the same direction). The screener wasn't stationary until his left foot hit the ground right before contact. At that moment, White #5 was in mid-stride so there was no way for him to stop and/or change direction.

But again, that's just me thinking out loud.

I agree and if you can stop the video at :16, the foot of the screener is well-beyond the frame of #34's body.

ballgame99 Mon Dec 15, 2014 09:22am

I don't see that screen being illegal, his base may have been a hair wide, but not enough to justify a call here. It looks like red got fouled on the shot attempt, but I like the PC call on the other end. Looked like good defense.

With the little conference and then no foul call did the crew maybe determine the foul occured after the buzzer? Since the official just signals no shot and then walks off that would make sense.

Too bad no sound, that place looks like it was rockin!

JRutledge Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:16am

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Originally Posted by billyu2 (Post 946892)
I don't agree. Red #34 starts with both feet by the 3-line and at the last second over-steps (beyond shoulder width) into the path of the opponent leaving him virtually no time/distance to stop or change direction.

The rule does not require that the feet be in stone. The contact mostly took place because the defender did not see the screen coming.

Peace

billyu2 Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:39am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 946896)
I don't see that screen being illegal, his base may have been a hair wide, but not enough to justify a call here. It looks like red got fouled on the shot attempt, but I like the PC call on the other end. Looked like good defense.

With the little conference and then no foul call did the crew maybe determine the foul occured after the buzzer? Since the official just signals no shot and then walks off that would make sense.

Too bad no sound, that place looks like it was rockin!

If you can stop the video within the frames of :15 the screener is facing the opponent and his base is perfect. He then extends the foot and leg out at least another foot into the path of the moving defender. If your definition of "a hair" is 12 inches then that is a pretty liberal definition. It only takes a few inches of an extended shoulder, elbow, hip, knee or leg to knock an opponent off-stride, or in this case, to the floor.


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