VIDEO: Wild Wisconsin finish
 

Posted in our FB group today. No sound.

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legal...bar jarring screen. :rolleyes:
when that player trips at the 41 second mark it looks like a foul although strange sequence and can't fault the refs there.

No problem with the charge call. A bit hard to see how much contact there was but it looks like the right call. Emotions running high with the players and that one ast coach? upset but I think the other coaches knew it was a charge.
I love that piece of paper flying around in the background at the 55-57 mark. Nice touch.

Such fun.

This video is sped up slightly which makes everything look weird.

New Lead should be at halfcourt, minimum, helping out with the press. You have 9 players in the backcourt so he's gotta be back there. He might be there, but can't tell.

Trail needs to go across the lane and administer the throw-in on that side. You can see C start to go to new Lead, he thought it was coming across.

I don't really care for the OOB signal from Trail.

I don't really care for the 3+ PC signals from Center.

Kudos to the white coach for keeping his assistants in check at least a bit.

Funny. My reaction to this video was completely different from yours.

Care to share?

Later. Taking off on a flight home.

My $0.02 - screen #1 is illegal. Red #34 didn't allow White #5 time/distance to stop or change direction.

Judgment call. I went back and watched again. I'm satisfied with the screen -- I see it as legal.

More later. I'm heading out with the family I haven't seen in 8 days. :D

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ART. 5 . . . When screening a moving opponent, the screener must allow the opponent time and distance to avoid contact by stopping or changing direction. The speed of the player to be screened will determine where the screener may take his/ her stationary position. The position will vary and may be one to two normal steps or strides from the opponent.

NFHS (2014-09-15). 2014-15 NFHS Basketball Rules Book (Kindle Locations 755-757). NFHS. Kindle Edition.

watching on my phone, but so far I have a legal screen and a good player control foul

21st Century Technology ...
 

Rich: Can the Kindle NFHS Rulebook be "downloaded" to a personal computer? Is it easy to copy, and paste, from the Kindle Edition? The PDF rulebook, and casebook, on my hard drive is from 2011-12, and is getting kind of old to be used to post on the Forum. Thanks.

Love the call. I'm even ok with the mechanics of the call. That call probably needs to be sold.

Agree....legal screen.

Close, but good PC call.

I'm wondering about the shot on the "left" end for red. Poor camera angle but it looks like he MAY have had his feet taken out from under him by the defender that fell down. Would love to see that from another angle.

Was there still time on the clock? They call the game. Timing it myself I would estimate a couple of seconds left. A lot can happen in that time for example stolen in bounds pass, violation. Etc. I saw a clip of this some where with sound and the whistle was heard but not the horn.

I don't have a Kindle NFHS rule book but I do have the Kindle app on my computer. You can read pretty much any kindle book on your computer and most of them in a browser.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/kindle/pc/download
and
https://read.amazon.com/ref=kcr_app_surl_cloudreader

Copying and pasting generally works well but there can be a maximum limit of how much you can copy and paste.

4 second white going up court, dribble then foul. I'd say .5 to 1 second left. Maybe the foul occurred and some more time ran off. In the NBA and NCAA it would have been more accurate but perhaps here it ran out or to .0 something and they decided to call it. no problem at all with that charging call.

I can view Kindle books and documents on my phone, tablet, or computer. It's nice having the rule book and case book in a seachable format anywhere I am.

Yes, I'm Old ...
 

In addition to being seachable, can you easily copy, and paste, to post citations on the Forum, from your personal computer, using the Kindle Edition of the NFHS rulebook, or casebook?

I have a personal computer, and a laptop. No tablet (I'm not even sure what that is). No smartphone (I still use an old fashioned flip phone. I don't get a great cell phone signal at home, or at work, so why bother? I only use my flip phone (with a blue tooth speaker) during my daily commute back, and forth, to work).

Yes. That's what I did. From my laptop to the forum.

New lead is in the backcourt.

Ball went out in the lane. Maybe I would've gone over there, but it's a nitpick at best.

Don't care about the OOB signal -- and neither should anyone else.

The selling of the PC foul was crucial. No problem with the emphasis or the number of calls.

I think it's a really well-offciated last 90 seconds. If I was on YouTube for this, I'd be happy with my work.

Agree. I would like to see the foul get reported to the table, at least to clear up any potential confusion.

Easy Peasey Lemon Squeezy ...
 

Thanks. I may be buying myself an early Christmas present.

Amazon.com: 2014-15 NFHS Basketball Rules Book eBook: NFHS, Theresia Wynns: Kindle Store

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...f_rd_i=desktop

Nothing wrong with the screen. It isn't a blind screen so he doesn't have to give space. Even if he had to give space, the white team player takes several steps before the contact.

The mechanics from this crew are ridiculous though. Every call is oversold- even a timeout

Don't care about the signal either, but do care that he didn't put the ball in play across the lane where the ball went out.

The reason I have it as an illegal screen, in part, is NFHS 4-40-2c (The screener must be stationary, except when both are moving in the same path and the same direction). The screener wasn't stationary until his left foot hit the ground right before contact. At that moment, White #5 was in mid-stride so there was no way for him to stop and/or change direction.

But again, that's just me thinking out loud.

I have a legal screen. The player runs into a player that is basically standing there.

I cannot tell if there was contact on the shot or the player tripped. It looked like a frantic sequence to the basket.

The final play looks like a clear PC foul. The issue seems to be if the basket would have counted anyway. But hard to tell with no audio and no foul being reported.

Peace

I don't agree. Red #34 starts with both feet by the 3-line and at the last second over-steps (beyond shoulder width) into the path of the opponent leaving him virtually no time/distance to stop or change direction.

4-40-2 c and d
 

I agree and if you can stop the video at :16, the foot of the screener is well-beyond the frame of #34's body.

I don't see that screen being illegal, his base may have been a hair wide, but not enough to justify a call here. It looks like red got fouled on the shot attempt, but I like the PC call on the other end. Looked like good defense.

With the little conference and then no foul call did the crew maybe determine the foul occured after the buzzer? Since the official just signals no shot and then walks off that would make sense.

Too bad no sound, that place looks like it was rockin!

The rule does not require that the feet be in stone. The contact mostly took place because the defender did not see the screen coming.

Peace

If you can stop the video within the frames of :15 the screener is facing the opponent and his base is perfect. He then extends the foot and leg out at least another foot into the path of the moving defender. If your definition of "a hair" is 12 inches then that is a pretty liberal definition. It only takes a few inches of an extended shoulder, elbow, hip, knee or leg to knock an opponent off-stride, or in this case, to the floor.

If you have to stop the video to that level to prove something, it was not that obvious as you stated. And the contact is with the torso, not an extended foot or arm. The screen was simply not seen and why the contact mostly took place. I did not see the screener go out of his way to contact the defender (which is more of my standard to call an illegal screen) so that the screened player would run into him.

Peace

I've got an illegal screen on 34. he steps with that left foot late. tough to tell on video but when a player does that the top half also moves that direction. at the exact moment of contact he may very well have been stationary but not soon enough for my liking.

take a look at 34 on the next inbounds play. he puts two hands on his guy and shoves him. if i didn't call the screen illegal id likely be wondering if he got away with one…i wouldn't pass on this one. two hands on a player and a shove is stupid on his part.

can't tell if the guy got clipped on the other end. could have been the angle he was at…charge call at end looks like good call.

But the legality of the contact is based on whether (a) the screener gave the moving defender time and distance and/or (b) was the screener's foot/leg within the framework of his body. Whether the defender saw the screen coming or not is not an issue in this particular situation. You as well as others feel the screen was okay. My initial reaction was "illegal." Subsequent breaking down of the video by frame hasn't changed my opinion. But this is a great play for discussion for sure!

Yes, but there has to be displacement. There has to be something caused by the screener. Moving a foot a little is not IMO a violation of the rule or te spirit of the rule. And if I have to slow it down to make a determination, then it was not obvious that a rule has been violated. And the screener did nothing that stood out as something clearly illegal.

Peace

Screen is hard, and someone hits the deck which makes it look bad, but I'm also OK with it. I think that if the exact same action is done and the defender doesn't fall, then this isn't nearly as big an issue.

Only call/mechanic I could do without is the OOB early. As for the PC, you need to sell that call here. I think I would more likely hit my whistle a few times, come off the baseline toward half court and give one strong sell, rather than the multiple, but point is still made.

Also on a separate note, I'm hoping the white HC has a nice sit-down conversation with that little sawed-off assistant who just seemed to escalate things.

I would love to know if the assistant coach got any discipline from the school or the league for his behavior after the PC call was made. Being that far out on the court and giving the big wave-off repeatedly is not something any coach should be doing, but especially not an assistant.

I'm not concerned with the width of the legs -- the contact was in the torso and the leg width didn't have a single thing to do with the player running into that screen.

Exactly. The screen could be doing the splits for all I care....if the contact is in the torso.

Agree, probably a good PC call at the end. 50/50 call if it was based on legal guarding position being established. The C might have seen a shoulder or elbow leaning in which helped him err on the side of PC. I'm ok with that and it was well sold....

Except....

....That he took a little time to process and blow the whistle. And in that time, I estimate the final 1.5 seconds or so ticked off the clock (like StripedYooper noted, timing it myself, I don't think we're at 0.0 when the actual contact occurred).

No monitor in high school, so if an official had definite knowledge of the clock at the time of contact, that time could be put back on the clock. But I wouldn't go there in this situation unless I was 110% sure. There are two human factors built into the rules here, which are the official's reaction time and the timer's reaction time. C'est la vie.

Someone said that in a sound version they never heard the horn. If that is the situation in your game, remember the game isn't over until the LED/light activates, or if that's not available, the horn sounds. Go over to the timer and see if they've got a few hundredths of a second on their digital readout, which many boxes display. If you're not at absolute zero, the game isn't over.

With everybody being frozen solid, the game is over anytime it gets anywhere close to absolute zero!

Much respect to losing coach
 

At the end, he's yelling at his team to shake hands with waiting opponents. That's leadership.