Florida State/Nebraska blarge (Video)

[APG]

[zm1283]

From what I can see, the Lead never signals anything preliminary. He just raises his fist and holds. The Center goes straight to the block signal then puts his fist up. Someone said the Trail came in and had a PC? I definitely don't see that on the video posted. If so it must have happened very late.

Since the Lead didn't give a preliminary, why not just go with the block that the Center had? (I thought this was a PC foul by the way)

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by zm1283

From what I can see, the Lead never signals anything preliminary. He just raises his fist and holds. The Center goes straight to the block signal then puts his fist up. Someone said the Trail came in and had a PC? I definitely don't see that on the video posted. If so it must have happened very late.

Since the Lead didn't give a preliminary, why not just go with the block that the Center had? (I thought this was a PC foul by the way)

When the camera cuts to the endline angle, you could hear a series of whistles. Although the video doesn't show it, that came from the T, Mike Roberts, according to the commentators. He went the other way with it, which is why it was a double foul. Not sure why he chose to make a call as it definitely was not his to make.

[ballgame99]

That looks like a clear PC. As a ref with very little 3 man experience, is that the C's call since it was on the C's side of the lane?

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

That looks like a clear PC. As a ref with very little 3 man experience, is that the C's call since it was on the C's side of the lane?

My supervisor has instructed his staff that the L has the primary call on a secondary defender (which FSU #15 is). If there is a double-whistle between the L & C or L & T on a block-charge call in the paint, the outside official is supposed to "hold" and is NOT to give a preliminary signal. Prior to my games, this possible play situation is repeated over & over during the pre-game discussion.

The ball is rebounded by Neb #2 and drives down the lane on the C side of the centerline. In my conference, this is the L's primary call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

My supervisor has instructed his staff that the L has the primary call on a secondary defender (which FSU #15 is). If there is a double-whistle between the L & C or L & T on a block-charge call in the paint, the outside official is supposed to "hold" and is NOT to give a preliminary signal. Prior to my games, this possible play situation is repeated over & over during the pre-game discussion.

The ball is rebounded by Neb #2 and drives down the lane on the C side of the centerline. In my conference, this is the L's primary call.

And I'd agree with your supervisor. Yet another example of a rotating defender coming form the L's primary to the C's side with the C jumping on the call and getting it wrong.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And I'd agree with your supervisor. Yet another example of a rotating defender coming form the L's primary to the C's side with the C jumping on the call and getting it wrong.

I do not necessarily have a problem with the L getting this call, the way this play played out, the C had a great view of the play should have been able to pick up the new defender with no problems. As I stated earlier, that in this play the C should have had this play from the beginning.

Going off on a tangent as I am wont to do, I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Going off on a tangent as I am wont to do, I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

That's pretty much the definition of Secondary Defender (and even where it is not, the video is an example of one)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

MTD, Sr.

Then you're failing to grasp the definition of secondary defender as put forth my NCAA-Men's basketball.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not necessarily have a problem with the L getting this call, the way this play played out, the C had a great view of the play should have been able to pick up the new defender with no problems. As I stated earlier, that in this play the C should have had this play from the beginning....
MTD, Sr.

Then he needs to quit bailing on plays as a ball handler is moving towards the basket.

[Remington]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

My supervisor has instructed his staff that the L has the primary call on a secondary defender (which FSU #15 is). If there is a double-whistle between the L & C or L & T on a block-charge call in the paint, the outside official is supposed to "hold" and is NOT to give a preliminary signal. Prior to my games, this possible play situation is repeated over & over during the pre-game discussion.

The ball is rebounded by Neb #2 and drives down the lane on the C side of the centerline. In my conference, this is the L's primary call.

This is what we have been instructed in our leagues as well and I can tell you from camp with Big 10 officials and supervisors, this is the leads call (at least first crack).

[constable]

That's a miss by the C.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by APG

1) This is the C's call all the way. In my humble opinion there was no need for two whistles (well I could have lived with the L sounding his whistle but it is still the C's call the way) let alone three whistles on this play.

2) I believe that the C should have taken one step in toward the play as it developed to get a better look, and definitely should have been stepping toward the players has he made his call.

3) CHARGE!!

MTD, Sr.