Florida State/Nebraska blarge (Video)

[Remington]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

My supervisor has instructed his staff that the L has the primary call on a secondary defender (which FSU #15 is). If there is a double-whistle between the L & C or L & T on a block-charge call in the paint, the outside official is supposed to "hold" and is NOT to give a preliminary signal. Prior to my games, this possible play situation is repeated over & over during the pre-game discussion.

The ball is rebounded by Neb #2 and drives down the lane on the C side of the centerline. In my conference, this is the L's primary call.

This is what we have been instructed in our leagues as well and I can tell you from camp with Big 10 officials and supervisors, this is the leads call (at least first crack).

[constable]

That's a miss by the C.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

And I'd agree with your supervisor. Yet another example of a rotating defender coming form the L's primary to the C's side with the C jumping on the call and getting it wrong.

I do not necessarily have a problem with the L getting this call, the way this play played out, the C had a great view of the play should have been able to pick up the new defender with no problems. As I stated earlier, that in this play the C should have had this play from the beginning.

Going off on a tangent as I am wont to do, I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Going off on a tangent as I am wont to do, I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

That's pretty much the definition of Secondary Defender (and even where it is not, the video is an example of one)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

... I really do not believe that the Defender that took the charge can be classified as a Secondary Defender in the play because the Offensive Player had been passed his original Defender so as to be classifed as an Offensive Player who was not being defended and therefore a new Defensive Player started to guard him.

MTD, Sr.

Then you're failing to grasp the definition of secondary defender as put forth my NCAA-Men's basketball.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Then you're failing to grasp the definition of secondary defender as put forth my NCAA-Men's basketball.

Hypothetical question. Assume this contact occurred in the RA, would you call a block because the secondary defender cannot establish initial LGP in the RA, or is the RA not in effect since the player who got the offensive rebound went immediately to the basket, thus eliminating the secondary defender rule?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Hypothetical question. Assume this contact occurred in the RA, would you call a block because the secondary defender cannot establish initial LGP in the RA, or is the RA not in effect since the player who got the offensive rebound went immediately to the basket, thus eliminating the secondary defender rule?

NCAAW: Because the drive started outside the LDB, contact inside the RA cannot be a charge (absent a leading knee, etc.)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Hypothetical question. Assume this contact occurred in the RA, would you call a block because the secondary defender cannot establish initial LGP in the RA, or is the RA not in effect since the player who got the offensive rebound went immediately to the basket, thus eliminating the secondary defender rule?

Though he made an immediate move, he did have a primary defender on him when he started his move.

I always took the rebounding exception to mean that the first defender encountered was a defender in the RA.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I do not necessarily have a problem with the L getting this call, the way this play played out, the C had a great view of the play should have been able to pick up the new defender with no problems. As I stated earlier, that in this play the C should have had this play from the beginning....
MTD, Sr.

Then he needs to quit bailing on plays as a ball handler is moving towards the basket.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's pretty much the definition of Secondary Defender (and even where it is not, the video is an example of one)

At some point, however, a secondary defender would become the primary defender.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Though he made an immediate move, he did have a primary defender on him when he started his move.

I already took the rebounding exception to mean that the first defender encountered was a defender in the RA.

I would consider this a secondary defender as well, but I am not sure how I would rule an RA play in this case. The rebounding exception doesn't say anything about how many defenders encountered, it just says there are no secondary defenders when the rebounder makes an immediate move to the basket.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAAW: Because the drive started outside the LDB, contact inside the RA cannot be a charge (absent a leading knee, etc.)

Interesting that NCAA-W does not have the immediate move by the rebounder exception. Also, NCAA-M does not have LDB

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

At some point, however, a secondary defender would become the primary defender.

We have gone over this before. It really doesn't matter when this switch from secondary to primary occurs. It only matters for establishing initial LGP. Further, once the player with the ball stops continuous movement towards the basket and initiates illegal contact with the secondary defender in the RA, this is a player control foul. Essentially, once the offensive player stops movement towards the basket, the secondary defender becomes the primary defender.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by johnny d

I would consider this a secondary defender as well, but I am not sure how I would rule an RA play in this case. The rebounding exception doesn't say anything about how many defenders encountered, it just says there are no secondary defenders when the rebounder makes an immediate move to the basket.

Would the pump fake and then dribble take away the "immediate move to the basket" part of the NCAA-M interp on this play? Seems like the immediate move would have been him going up for the intial shot, but by pump faking and dribbling away from that defender...??