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Old Mon Dec 01, 2014, 11:11am
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I know in my area when working games with a running clock (MAYB, YMCA specifically), most officials aren't keen to switching after every single foul call because we are usually doing anywhere from 5-9 games that particular day. I am torn with this, I think it looks really lazy when you call a foul and report it from the baseline, which seems to happen a lot in this type of ball. I try to switch in these type of games whenever possible.

Keep in mind, you're not going to necessarily switch on every single foul call, most of the switches occur when the lead calls a foul (I'm talking 2 man mechanics here). After all, it would be kind of senseless to call a foul from trail and then switch to lead, especially since as the trail you are already near the reporting area.

The one question I do have for you all, and I think it's a new NFHS mechanic as of last year, is the long switching on fouls going the other way. In the past, if a lead called a team control foul, he would just simply step out a few steps, report the foul, and go administer the throw-in, saving steps for all officials. Now they want us to switch on those fouls, meaning the lead has to run all the way to the other side of the court? I'm not too sure I like that, nor do most of the officials in my association. What say you?
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Old Mon Dec 01, 2014, 11:44am
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Why do people even expect the use of all the proper mechanics especially at lower levels where you are asking officials to do more than the probably should in the first place. Heck most youth sports are using body fillers. They are not hiring necessarily the best of the best on any particular game. I have no problem using NFHS Mechanics when we are doing those games. But a middle school game, we might have people who are not licensed at the HS association and to expect that would be silly unless you have two or three willing participants to that philosophy.

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Old Mon Dec 01, 2014, 12:39pm
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The one question I do have for you all, and I think it's a new NFHS mechanic as of last year, is the long switching on fouls going the other way. In the past, if a lead called a team control foul, he would just simply step out a few steps, report the foul, and go administer the throw-in, saving steps for all officials. Now they want us to switch on those fouls, meaning the lead has to run all the way to the other side of the court? I'm not too sure I like that, nor do most of the officials in my association. What say you?
If I had a vote, I would vote for "no long switch" in both 2-person and 3-person mechanics.

I don't have a vote. :shrug:
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Old Mon Dec 01, 2014, 03:30pm
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In two man we switch on fouls but splice in a little common sense. You play 3 minutes without a foul. Foul.....switch.....10 seconds later another foul.....It's actually better not to switch at this point. And, yes, saving steps is sometimes a factor in the decision.
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Old Tue Dec 02, 2014, 09:33am
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I read this thread yesterday, and wouldn't you know it, last night I had a partner who subscribed to the "no long switches" philosophy but forgot to tell me. So I call a foul around half court from the T opposite table, point to the spot (opposite table), move to half court to report my foul, and start heading to the endline to take the L. My partner is still standing there, so now I'm wandering around the court like I don't know where I'm supposed to go. During a break I ask about it, and he says in a situation like that I should just go back to T and administer inbound so he doesn't have to come all the way up there from the L. I've never had a partner tell me this and it just struck me as lazy. He also tossed the ball across the lane to the inbounder a couple times rather than having me switch up top. Something else to pregame I guess.
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Old Tue Dec 02, 2014, 09:46am
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that doesn't sound like a "long switch" to me.

A "long switch" is when the L calls a foul on the offense (or during rebounding action before one team gains control, or SOMETIMES immediately after the old-defense gains control) and would have to move to become L at the other end.
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Old Thu Jan 08, 2015, 03:15pm
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I got some 3 man experience last night and have a switch question; in the front court, the C calls a foul from opposite table side of the floor. Does the T rotate to the old C side to become T (while L slides over)? My partner said no, he wanted to just stay in that same position, but that just doesn't feel right.

Now if C calls a front court foul from the table side not switching makes sense, since C would become new T and L would move over.
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Old Thu Jan 08, 2015, 03:21pm
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I got some 3 man experience last night and have a switch question; in the front court, the C calls a foul from opposite table side of the floor. Does the T rotate to the old C side to become T (while L slides over)? My partner said no, he wanted to just stay in that same position, but that just doesn't feel right.

Now if C calls a front court foul from the table side not switching makes sense, since C would become new T and L would move over.
First part = partner was wrong. In NFHS and NCAAW, stay tableside after reporting. Your partner may have been a NCAAM official, and they go or stay opposite after reporting. So maybe that's what you were dealing with.

Second part = you're correct also for NFHS and NCAAW. But in NCAAM, you'd report and then cross to become the new C opposite, while old T would come over and be new T tableside.
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Old Thu Jan 08, 2015, 11:34am
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Summary Of Switching

Wondering if anyone had a summary sheet or table of switching on non shooting fouls for NFHS. I know there are numerous graphs out there but was looking for something that was easy to digest basic concepts..Thanks
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Old Thu Jan 08, 2015, 02:23pm
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SWITCHING AFTER A FOUL:
A. The officials shall switch positions on fouls as indicated:
There will be no “LONG SWITCH.” On a non-shooting foul when the throw-in spot is
in the team’s backcourt, the official who was responsible for the end line when the
whistle was blown will administer the throw-in.
B. On shooting fouls, the calling official will report the foul and become the trail official on
the table side of the floor.
C. On a non-shooting foul in the frontcourt, the calling official will report the foul and
become the trail official. He/she will remain on the table side of the floor unless the
throw-in is to be administered by the trail opposite the table above the foul line. If the
throw-in is to be administered by the lead on the tableside half of the floor the lead
administers the throw-in by handing or bouncing the ball to the thrower-in and then
backing across the lane. This is being done to facilitate communication with the sideline
(NOTE: the calling official has the option of going opposite the table if he/she feels that
an adversarial situation has or may occur).

http://www.nysgboa.com/pdf/NYSGBOA_T...nMechanics.pdf
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Old Fri Jan 09, 2015, 05:08pm
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SWITCHING AFTER A FOUL:
A. The officials shall switch positions on fouls as indicated:
There will be no “LONG SWITCH.” On a non-shooting foul when the throw-in spot is
in the team’s backcourt, the official who was responsible for the end line when the
whistle was blown will administer the throw-in.
B. On shooting fouls, the calling official will report the foul and become the trail official on
the table side of the floor.
C. On a non-shooting foul in the frontcourt, the calling official will report the foul and
become the trail official. He/she will remain on the table side of the floor unless the
throw-in is to be administered by the trail opposite the table above the foul line. If the
throw-in is to be administered by the lead on the tableside half of the floor the lead
administers the throw-in by handing or bouncing the ball to the thrower-in and then
backing across the lane. This is being done to facilitate communication with the sideline
(NOTE: the calling official has the option of going opposite the table if he/she feels that
an adversarial situation has or may occur).

http://www.nysgboa.com/pdf/NYSGBOA_T...nMechanics.pdf
very useful..thanks for sharing!
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