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AremRed Sun Nov 30, 2014 09:03pm

Tough play. At first I thought the tech was on the defensive player, until I saw the elbow. Both players were at fault for not stopping, and the offensive player was the only one to escalate so I agree with the call. Not much you can do here other than hit the whistle, close down, and hope they stop. It's on them.

Kansas Ref Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:14pm

Yes the black player rode the white team player, in an apparently chastising manner, long after the blocking violation was called. In effect, black continued fouling white after the whistle by continually riding/hedging white after the whistle, no?

Camron Rust Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:45am

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Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 945121)
Yes the black player rode the white team player, in an apparently chastising manner, long after the blocking violation was called. In effect, black continued fouling white after the whistle by continually riding/hedging white after the whistle, no?

Right. And the halfhearted "elbow" was no more significant than what the defender was doing. Both deserved the T if one deserved the T. Both were responsible for dead ball contact of a similar intensity.

just another ref Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:49am

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Originally Posted by camron rust (Post 945129)
right. And the halfhearted "elbow" was no more significant than what the defender was doing. Both deserved the t if one deserved the t. Both were responsible for dead ball contact of a similar intensity.

+1

Kansas Ref Mon Dec 01, 2014 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 945129)
Right. And the halfhearted "elbow" was no more significant than what the defender was doing. Both deserved the T if one deserved the T. Both were responsible for dead ball contact of a similar intensity.

*very well-written! me like.

Brad Mon Dec 01, 2014 06:46pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 944987)
Tough to call a T only on the OK player when the Butler player kept harassing and riding him long after the whistle. If it is for contact, I think you have to get them both or neither.

Totally agree. The Butler player was punking him. The whistle had blown and he was purposefully continuing to make contact with the Oklahoma player.

Could be a double T. Could be a “Hey, knock that crap off guys.”, depending on how the rest of the game has gone, etc.

jeremy341a Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:19am

Just to play devils advocate here, but If the defender could have stopped moving laterally after the whistle couldn't the offensive player stopped moving forward?


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