POE announcer question

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

What's your rule basis for that? Who is going to be penalized? Home team coach? Administrative T? What if it's a holiday tournament? Slippery slope there.

Rule 2.8.1
Penalize unsporting conduct by any player, coach, substitute, team attendant or follower.

As for the penalty I'd cite Rule 10.4.1.f which states that a bench technical would be called for "inciting undesirable crowd reactions." Or there's 10.4.1.d which states a bench tech would be called for "disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent."

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Rule 2.8.1
Penalize unsporting conduct by any player, coach, substitute, team attendant or follower.

As for the penalty I'd cite Rule 10.4.1.f which states that a bench technical would be called for "inciting undesirable crowd reactions." Or there's 10.4.1.d which states a bench tech would be called for "disrespectfully addressing, baiting or taunting an opponent."

Both of those are a BIG reach. IN 10-4-1F...The announcer isn't the crowd...and that rule is more intended for the coach's actions....10-4-1D: announcing isn't really addressing the opponent.

I'd be more apt to have the announcer removed...only AFTER addressing it with game admin. and having them try to correct it. Penalizing a team by handing out T's here isn't supported by rule.

[OKREF]

Why the sudden outrage on announcers. This was a new rule for the 2013-14 season. It's just been made a POE for this year, and you will find no penalty for this.

[PIAA REF]

You are right as there is no penalty but you still need to enforce it. Just like there is no penalty for coming into the game with illegal leggings or arm sleeves. It simply isn't allowed. Just as you would not let the player play with those you can't allow the announcer to announce when clock is running and when ball is live, clocked stopped.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

You are right as there is no penalty but you still need to enforce it. Just like there is no penalty for coming into the game with illegal leggings or arm sleeves. It simply isn't allowed. Just as you would not let the player play with those you can't allow the announcer to announce when clock is running and when ball is live, clocked stopped.

Okay...

When things first go wrong with the announcing, tell the announcer to clean up his act or you'll have him removed. If there's another issue, have game management remove him.

So much for passing responsibility for fixing things on the coach. Damn. LOL

[Rich1]

Rule 1-18 only says that the announcer is profibited from making announcements during the game. It makes no mention of dead balls, half time, time outs, etc. It is quite vague. The POE on the other hand is much more detailed. The POE does say the announcer may say who scored which seems to be in conflict with the "stopped clock" requirement since it makes no sense to announce who scored several minutes after it happens so I would expect it to happen right after the basket. Its a dead ball but the clock is running so it seems muddled. But, as I said earlier, even if allowed I don't see how there would be enough time to do so. I am more than comfortable going with no announcement at all in this case.

The announcer is not part of the table crew (only the scorer and timer are mentioned as such) so I feel you could be justified including the announcer as a fan/follower. In addition, casebook play 1.18 indicates that a scoreboard operator who is acting unsportingly can be penalized with a T so I don't see why that doesn't also apply to an announcer (especially since the scoreboard operator is probably also the official timer).

In practice, if I get no where with the announcer after a polite reminder of the POE then I can stand in front of the table and the game can wait until the announcer is replaced. I am sure the game administrator's patience will run out before mine will.

[NDAnnouncer]

What this boils down to is professionalism. For those of us who have and will continue to announce with professionalism this will not be a problem. The only things that I notice that will be the biggest change is that you aren't supposed to reference how many points are scored by a player and you aren't supposed to reference how many personal fouls a player has and how many team fouls a team has. I disagree with those points...but will go along with them.

As far as making announcements during play...nothing has changed there. We should NEVER make announcements during play unless it is an emergency...in which case play would more than likely be stopped. We will still be continued to announce the player's name who scores a basket...that hasn't changed.

What this will do away with is the announcer who thinks they are auditioning for a play-by-play position with a local radio station and the want to be NBA announcers. For those of us who take our job seriously...this will be welcomed! I cringe every time I visit an opposing gym and hear those types of announcers.

To all of my fellow announcers...stay professional and the enforcement of the POE's will be minimal.

[PIAA REF]

Most of what u said is correct except announcers cannot announce who scores unless the clock is stopped and ball is not live. That takes away from a player scoring and announcers saying "Billy Jones for two". That is by rule not permitted

[NDAnnouncer]

That makes no sense since the clock doesn't stop after a basket is scored unless there is a foul, a time out or is at the end of the quarter. There is a distinct difference in making an "announcement" versus referencing who scored.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by NDAnnouncer

That makes no sense since the clock doesn't stop after a basket is scored unless there is a foul, a time out or is at the end of the quarter. There is a distinct difference in making an "announcement" versus referencing who scored.

Agreed

Originally Posted by NDAnnouncer

The only things that I notice that will be the biggest change is that you aren't supposed to reference how many points are scored by a player and you aren't supposed to reference how many personal fouls a player has and how many team fouls a team has. I disagree with those points...but will go along with them.

I can agree in terms of fouls. That actually helps us on the court when we hear a player has 4 or 5 or a team has 6, 7, 9 or 10. I disagree on the points. No need to say that during the play. If a kid has some crazy amount that can probably wait until a dead ball.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Agreed




I can agree in terms of fouls. That actually helps us on the court when we hear a player has 4 or 5 or a team has 6, 7, 9 or 10. I disagree on the points. No need to say that during the play. If a kid has some crazy amount that can probably wait until a dead ball.

I think he's referring to whether it's a two or three point basket, as opposed to saying "Greg Jones now has 20 points." I don't see the problem with saying it was a two or three, if the shot is in question.

[OKREF]

Announcer Responsibilities

May Be Announced
Player who scored
Player charged with foul
Player attempting free throw
Team charged with time out
Length of timeout 30/60
Player entering the game
Team Rosters

May not be Announced
Number of points player has scored
Number of fouls on player
Number of fouls team has
Number of time outs or number remaining
Time remaining in quarter/game
Type of foul or violation
Emphatic 2 or 3 point goal.

This is the NFHS bulletin point.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I think he's referring to whether it's a two or three point basket, as opposed to saying "Greg Jones now has 20 points." I don't see the problem with saying it was a two or three, if the shot is in question.

If that's the case then we agree on all counts, though it's only if a shot is a three. Even then if we do what we're supposed to do everyone in the gym will know it's a three.