Correctable Error

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

It seems to me, a period is not completed until all activities that are part of that period are finished.

The error occurred in the second period, but the correction will take place in the third period. Right?

What if a foul occurs, after the halftime intermission, during the correction? What if that team had six fouls in the first half, would the foul count toward the first half, thus seven, and now we're shooting one and one?

(Note: I can't think of a situation where we would have a common foul, just intentionals, and technicals, but it's still good question. Right?)

Heck? Just shoot at one of the side baskets. Right?

[OKREF]

What difference does it make which end you shoot at. Coach we have a correctable, should have shot a 1-1. Put the shooter on the floor, then start the period with an AP. I would probably go with the way they are going in the second half. It could be confusing if you shoot the free throws at one end then turn around at go the other way.

[billyu2]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The error occurred in the second period, but the correction will take place in the third period. Right?

What if a foul occurs, after the halftime intermission, during the correction? What if that team had six fouls in the first half, would the foul count toward the first half, thus seven, and now we're shooting one and one?

(Note: I can't think of a situation where we would have a common foul, just intentionals, and technicals, but it's still good question. Right?)

Heck? Just shoot at one of the side baskets. Right?

BillyMac, trying to see if I have this right. By your reasoning, if this scenario happened with :05 left in the 4th quarter with the score tied, and the error was discovered during the intermission before overtime, you would start the extension of the 4th quarter with the free throws rather than part of the regular 4th quarter (which could determine if the extension was even needed), right?
Hint: 2.10.1B

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by billyu2

BillyMac, trying to see if I have this right. By your reasoning, if this scenario happened with :05 left in the 4th quarter with the score tied, and the error was discovered during the intermission before overtime, you would start the extension of the 4th quarter with the free throws rather than part of the regular 4th quarter (which could determine if the extension was even needed), right?
Hint: 2.10.1B

Not the same....and I didn't even look up your hint.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by billyu2

... if this scenario happened with :05 left in the 4th quarter with the score tied, and the error was discovered during the intermission before overtime, you would start the extension of the 4th quarter with the free throws rather than part of the regular 4th quarter ...

Yes. I believe that I would (if by extension of the 4th quarter you mean overtime). But I wouldn't bet my house on this being the correct interpretation. I look forward to comments from esteemed Forum members.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

We have started to discuss two different, but yet the same, plays in this thread.

1) The rule with regard to OT being an extension of the Fourth Quarter and the Second Half applies to the counting of Team Fouls and does not the effect the disposition of CEs.

2) Therefore whether the CE occurred with five seconds left in the: a) Second Quarter/First Half, b) Fourth Quarter/Second Half, or c) any OT period, the FTs are part of the Period in which the CE occurred and in the case of (2a) the FTs are attempted at Team A's Basket in the Second Quarter/First Half. Once the FTS are attempted the next Period can begin.

MTD, Sr.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

We have started to discuss two different, but yet the same, plays in this thread.

1) The rule with regard to OT being an extension of the Fourth Quarter and the Second Half applies to the counting of Team Fouls and does not the effect the disposition of CEs.

2) Therefore whether the CE occurred with five seconds left in the: a) Second Quarter/First Half, b) Fourth Quarter/Second Half, or c) any OT period, the FTs are part of the Period in which the CE occurred and in the case of (2a) the FTs are attempted at Team A's Basket in the Second Quarter/First Half. Once the FTS are attempted the next Period can begin.

MTD, Sr.

So, foul right at the buzzer ending the second quarter. Should be the 7th, but is thought to be the 6th.

The third quarter starts, teams go back and forth for a while not scoring, then the ball I tipped out of bounds (first dead ball of the half). table buzzes -- hey, we should have shot FTs at the end of the last quarter.

It's still correctable.

You're shooting them at the first half basket?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So, foul right at the buzzer ending the second quarter. Should be the 7th, but is thought to be the 6th.

The third quarter starts, teams go back and forth for a while not scoring, then the ball I tipped out of bounds (first dead ball of the half). table buzzes -- hey, we should have shot FTs at the end of the last quarter.

It's still correctable.

You're shooting them at the first half basket?

Bob:

As weird as it sounds, yes.

MTD, Sr.

[BryanV21]

It seems that the question you have to ask is "what basket was the team shooting at at the time of the error?" And the answer to that will give you the answer to the question of what basket to shoot the free throw(s) at.

As someone already pointed out, when it comes to the players, coaches, fans, and the vast majority of people, they either don't know or don't care... just shoot 'em.

But when it comes to other refs and especially supervisors/observers, doing it right does matter.

So can anybody say for sure? Seems as though we have highly regarded officials answering differently.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Bob:

As weird as it sounds, yes.

MTD, Sr.

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

So, foul right at the buzzer ending the second quarter. Should be the 7th, but is thought to be the 6th.

The third quarter starts, teams go back and forth for a while not scoring, then the ball I tipped out of bounds (first dead ball of the half). table buzzes -- hey, we should have shot FTs at the end of the last quarter.

It's still correctable.

You're shooting them at the first half basket?

Bob:

I thought about the answer I gave you and I believe that by rule we have to attempt the FTs at the Team A's First Half Basket. That said, if I were evaluating the game officials in such a game I would not ding them if they did not attempt the FTs at the First Half Basket. But, I believe that Team B's HC would have a good case to claim that attempting them at Team A's Second Half Basket would be a CE for attempting the FTs at the wrong basket. In the first case the game officials will look silly, and in the second case they could be creating a second CE. I guess this is a question that the NFHS and NCAA "knuckle heads" will have to sort out.

In other words: It is six of one and half dozen of the other.

MTD, Sr.