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This is how it is worded in the current OHSAA Basketball Manual. FWIW, I contacted our OHSAA Director of Basketball Officials last year regarding if the player had to be participating at the time of the violation for the penalty to be enforced and he said "no." Also, there is no indirect assessed to the coach in case anyone is interested.

Quarters Permitted & Penalty for Violation
Any player is not permitted to participate in MORE than FIVE quarters during any one day. Any part of a quarter is considered a full quarter. Any
overtime is considered an extension of the fourth quarter. Players are permitted a total of 110 quarters (high school) or 64 quarters (Junior High)
for the season plus any played in post-season tournament play.
Penalty for Violating Quarters/Day:
If detected DURING a contest: team shall be assessed a technical foul by the official and the player shall be disqualified from
the game. All quarters shall be counted toward his/her maximum allowed for the season.
If detected AFTER a contest: All quarters shall be counted toward his/her maximum allowed for the season. There is no further
penalty or suspension.

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 942364)

I think everybody is getting their knickers in a twist for no reason.

1) The Game Officials do not keep track of a player's quarters. The Scorer keeps track just like he/she would keep track of a player's PFs and TFs.

2) The Scorer only notifies the Game Officials when a player is actually participating in his/her sixth quarter, and then and only then is the penalty is enforced.

3) If the infraction is discovered while the player is not participating: No harm; no foul.

4) I graduated from H.S. in 1969. Prior to my graduating from H.S. I cannot remember ever participating or watching a game where a player was discovered playing after exceeding the quarters in a day rule.

5) My H.S. HC's oldest son and I did all of his scouting the last two years he coached (1969-70 and 1970-71) and I cannot remember ever watching a game where a player was discovered playing after exceeding the quarters in a day rule.

6) I started officiating basketball in 1971-72 and can honestly say that I have never had this situation occur in any the H.S. games that I have officiated in Ohio and have never had a fellow official who had it happen in one of his/her games. It is a rule that is there and the schools do a very good job of tracking a player's quarters. I am sure that it has no doubt happened but it is a very rare occurrence.

MTD, Sr.

We had one last year in a soccer match. OHSAA is much harder on them. The player is sent off (red card) and the team plays short.

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 942376)

We had one last year in a soccer match. OHSAA is much harder on them. The player is sent off (red card) and the team plays short.

But there is no game report filed with the OhioHSAA.

MTD, Sr.

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 942380)

But there is no game report filed with the OhioHSAA.

MTD, Sr.

For soccer, there is. According to the officials' manual, it's an ejection: you file the report, the player is suspended for two games, and the team plays short.

I have no clue as to why the soccer penalty is so much harsher than the basketball penalty. Perhaps it's because soccer doesn't have separate concepts for disqualified and ejected.

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 942456)

I have not officiated H.S. soccer in almost ten years, but I think you need to contact Don Muenz, the OhioHSAA's Director of Soccer Officiating because I do not believe that is the penalty when a player plays in more that three semesters in a game.

MTD, Sr.

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 942459)

It's specifically listed as a straight red card offense. They go to great pains to point out a second-caution red is not an "ejection" for the purposes of the ejection procedure. They could have included an extra half with that but did not.

You can check the manual yourself. It's on page 24.

Can I issue a red card for all this soccer talk?

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942462)

Can I issue a red card for all this soccer talk?

A yellow card may be in order.

Be careful we don't seem to know what the consequences are for any of these things . . .

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942462)

Can I issue a red card for all this soccer talk?

By all means please do, ;).

MTD, Sr.

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 942462)

Can I issue a red card for all this soccer talk?

It's not soccer, it's fútbol.