referee shortage?

[Sharpshooternes]

I am also from Utah, and it looks like they are going to need many more varsity officials this year, not just more officials. Before last year, there was only 3person crews on 5a men's and women's and 4a men's. Last year they added 4A women's. This year 3A added a third official to both men's and women's. Should be some decent room for advancement and no shortage of games.

[Kansas Ref]

Well let all pack up and head to the Salt Palace !

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Well let all pack up and head to the Salt Palace !

And we can all legally bring our extra wives.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And we can all legally bring our extra wives.

Actually, it would still be illegal.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I am also from Utah, and it looks like they are going to need many more varsity officials this year, not just more officials. Before last year, there was only 3person crews on 5a men's and women's and 4a men's. Last year they added 4A women's. This year 3A added a third official to both men's and women's. Should be some decent room for advancement and no shortage of games.

Just curious how much those in charge took officiating numbers into account when adding the third official on another level. In your opinion, is the talent such that three are necessary?

[rsl]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

And we can all legally bring our extra wives.

Good one. I've lived in Utah for decades, and I've never heard that one before.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Just curious how much those in charge took officiating numbers into account when adding the third official on another level. In your opinion, is the talent such that three are necessary?

I can't really say how much they thought about it because I am not in charge. Last I heard 3 out 4 of the 3A regions voted yes and the last I don't think had voted yet. It is the coaches who vote anyway, not officiating leadership.

As for the talent, last year and I think the year before our 5A division had the number one ranked team in the nation. Many of the 3 a schools have the talent to warrant three officials. Shouldn't every game at every level have three officials? It provides more opportunity to officiate, provides better court coverage, decreases errors and bad angles. In my opinion the only reason we have two officials on so many games is strictly monetary. If three cost the same as two, you would have three eery time.

I sure would love to work more games during the season. It is way too short. ( my wife would disagree.)

[ODJ]

Do you still make the basketball playoff list, and stay on the list until you die?
(Ten year old anecdote.)

Rutledge's state has a this problem: Need more T&F officials. Schools hire only the old officials they know. New officials can't get hired. Newbies quit. Schools can't figure out why there aren't enough officials.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by rsl

Good one. I've lived in Utah for decades, and I've never heard that one before.

Blue font. Old school.

[stripes]

Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes

I can't really say how much they thought about it because I am not in charge. Last I heard 3 out 4 of the 3A regions voted yes and the last I don't think had voted yet. It is the coaches who vote anyway, not officiating leadership.

***Disclaimer*** The following is only referring to Utah HS Sports.


This is incorrect. The coaches do not vote on items like this. The school's athletic directors and principals make this vote. I think that most of the voters will confer with the coach to see what the preference is, but at the end of the day, the ADs and principals make the call.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by ODJ

Do you still make the basketball playoff list, and stay on the list until you die?
(Ten year old anecdote.)

Rutledge's state has a this problem: Need more T&F officials. Schools hire only the old officials they know. New officials can't get hired. Newbies quit. Schools can't figure out why there aren't enough officials.

Well in my state assigning is not done the same across the state. In my area schools assign no one directly to games. The only ones that assign are assignors. I work with newer and younger guys all the time (age or experience) at the varsity level. There is apart of the state that still hires officials by the schools, but the bigger conferences or in certain areas they are assigned by a supervisor or assignor for a conference or tournament. I do not have a single game this year assigned directly by a school other than a Holiday Tournament where the AD assigns the officials for his own tournament. And even in that case he gets input from assignors to see what someone has done in their background before they get a shot.

Playoffs are assigned by the state office and sports administrator for each gender. And they use data of what officials are assigned or games that are worked to determine assignments in the post season. So you cannot lie about your schedule and if you are observed, that can also help you. Too much stuff out there to not know what someone has done and what someone should get an opportunity. The process is not perfect, but is any process perfect?


Peace