New college ref advice

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rooster

For the reasons stated above I had one guy in my new conference tell me that if a coach calls you a MFer you can START to think about whacking him. I'm pretty good with my people skills but I don't tolerate much BS. Sooo that being stated I'm a little concerned about how much to take from coaches, not wanting to be that guy. Clearly officials in this league don't hand out many, but I'll be doggoned if I'm gonna be a doormat either. For the group: Is there a new balance to be calibrated? Any sharing of the experience with moving back and forth between HS and JUCO in terms of handling coaches sure would be appreciated.

There shouldn't be any new balance to calibrate. The one common thread among college coaches, be they JUCO or otherwise, is they work for and represent the school. College administrators generally don't like their representatives acting up in public so if a HC calls you a "M-F" and you ring him/her up you're just doing your job. I don't know of any college coordinator who wouldn't back you in that situation.

In HS, there's always a chance the HC doesn't work for the school so he/she may not care or may not be as easily affected by the school's administration.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In HS, there's always a chance the HC doesn't work for the school so he/she may not care or may not be as easily affected by the school's administration.

While it's true that the coach may not be a teacher, he's still under the authority of the athletic director, the principal, the superintendent, and the board of education.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

While it's true that the coach may not be a teacher, he's still under the authority of the athletic director, the principal, the superintendent, and the board of education.

Yes, but if he doesn't work for the school, losing his coaching job isn't that big of a deal, it isn't how he makes his living.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by johnny d

Yes, but if he doesn't work for the school, losing his coaching job isn't that big of a deal, it isn't how he makes his living.

Keep in mind that my comments only referred to high school basketball, not college (I was replying to JetMetFan's high school post) .

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

In HS, there's always a chance the HC doesn't work for the school so he/she may not care or may not be as easily affected by the school's administration.

Although I'm sure that it's possible, I've never heard of a high school teacher/coach in Connecticut losing is teaching job as well as his coaching job because of some on court improprieties with officials.

I'm not a college ref, but the thing I have learned this year is to know your role. Know what plays you can see and what you can't. Know when to say something to a coach and when to let your R take care of it. Know when to speak and when to keep your mouth shut. Know when to make a necessary call out of your area, know when to trust your partners. I'm still figuring out the basics, but I hope that helps.

[Rich]

There are a lot of areas where one of two things happens:

(1) HS hoops is dominated by old boy networks and officials make the jump from subvarsity HS right to college ball.

(2) JuCo isn't much to sneeze at.

Only you know your area.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

There shouldn't be any new balance to calibrate. The one common thread among college coaches, be they JUCO or otherwise, is they work for and represent the school. College administrators generally don't like their representatives acting up in public so if a HC calls you a "M-F" and you ring him/her up you're just doing your job. I don't know of any college coordinator who wouldn't back you in that situation.

In HS, there's always a chance the HC doesn't work for the school so he/she may not care or may not be as easily affected by the school's administration.

I got some clarification from a big dawg in the conference and he pish-shawed the M-F stuff, saying what I was told earlier is ridiculous. He basically said that if a coach comes after ME personally, that's an easy one... Good to know that I don't have to put up with a different standard of BS at the Juco level.