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Adam Tue Jul 29, 2014 06:53pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 938495)
10-5-5 only applies to team members, who, by definition, are members of bench personnel who are in uniform, and are eligible to become players. 10-5-5 does not apply to bench personnel who are not in uniform, i.e. coaches.

It is my contention that 10-1-4 could apply to coaches, who are part of the team, and, thus, must occupy the team bench to which it has been assigned.

It does make a difference. 10-1-4 is only a technical charged to the team. 10-5-5 is a technical charged directly to the head coach, who must now sit, and is only one direct technical away from getting the old heave-ho.
My point is that it seems clear to me that the NFHS wants all team members within the bench area, except at half time. I'm all for knowing what the rules say, but don't you have to charge the head coach if you're going to use 10-1-4 instead of 10-5-5?

BillyMac Tue Jul 29, 2014 06:56pm
Different Penalties ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938498)
Don't you have to charge the head coach if you're going to use 10-1-4 instead of 10-5-5?
No. 10-1-4 is a team technical, charged to the team, not to the head coach, a similar penalty to a delay of game technical foul, or a technical foul for requesting (and being granted) an excess time-out.

Adam Tue Jul 29, 2014 07:05pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 938501)
No. 10-1-4 is a team technical, charged to the team, not to the coach, a similar penalty to a delay of game technical foul, or a technical foul for requesting (and being granted) an excess time-out.
Thanks, I couldn't remember and my book is missing for the time being.

So using 10-4, you get a team T.

Using 10-5, you get a direct T on the AC and an indirect on the HC.

Nevadaref Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:56pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 938504)
Thanks, I couldn't remember and my book is missing for the time being.

So using 10-4, you get a team T.

Using 10-5, you get a direct T on the AC and an indirect on the HC.
Still not correct. The penalty for 10-5-5 is a direct T charged to the HC. However, that only applies if the person leaving the bench is a team member.
Since the AC is not, one cannot properly use 10-5-5 and the only route which is can see is 10-1-4 as Billy suggests.

AremRed Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:08pm
I'm not sure I would notice the if an assistant left the bench to bitch from a different location. If on the bench and bad, whack. If in the stands and bad, stop game and remove. Unless I had whacked him prior to his leaving the bench I doubt I would notice his absence.

Nevadaref Wed Jul 30, 2014 02:56am
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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 938511)
I'm not sure I would notice the if an assistant left the bench to bitch from a different location. If on the bench and bad, whack. If in the stands and bad, stop game and remove. Unless I had whacked him prior to his leaving the bench I doubt I would notice his absence.
1. Why are you removing him? If you think that he is merely a spectator, his behavior would have to be pretty bad to warrant removal.

2. If you know that he is the asst coach, you don't need to worry about where he is complaining from because you can simply penalize him for unsporting behavior. That question would only arise if you had interest in assessing two technical fouls to him.

3. I'm not in favor of removing him without assessing any penalty.


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