"Purple" or "Blue"

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

We are told to call the team's actual color. Meaning we don't say "red" if their color is maroon, nor do we say "blue" if their color is actually purple.

Is there anyone who can find a fundamental, factual flaw within this instruction?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Is there anyone who can find a fundamental, factual flaw within this instruction?

No one I work for would ever even talk about something like this. I doubt they have ever even thought about it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No one I work for would ever even talk about something like this. I doubt they have ever even thought about it.

Any evaluator that says this to me mustn't have anything to say about my officiating. Also, I'd wonder why I dumped money on the camp for that kind of feedback.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Is there anyone who can find a fundamental, factual flaw within this instruction?

The flaw is that it appears someone is teach something that really has nothing to do with anything. Part of our job is to communicate so that wer are understood. If we say every color that it possibly could be, we will confuse people right or wrong. We only have two colors to announce or use. One is white the other is a darker color. I see no point in trying to be so specific when the reality is that most colors are not easily identified. And what do you do with someone that is color blind? There are people that cannot easily identify what specific color a jersey might be. I do understand that some want to be very specific, but this part of our communication does not need to be that specific or we do not explain every call. No one in my career has ever complained that I called them black, red or gold when they were a different color as far as I can remember. They usually figure out what color we are identifying and that is after all the only issue.

For one we do not go and report fouls and tell exactly what a player did, most just say a "push" or "hold" without much detail. I do not find it a necessity to do otherwise with a color we might say only for an out of bounds purpose or telling a scorer which team we actually called a foul on.

Peace

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Is there anyone who can find a fundamental, factual flaw within this instruction?

I dont' knwo about flaw, but how far do we take it? What if they object to orange and want it to be "burnt orange?" Or want "maize" for "yellow." or "crimson" or "scarlett" or "cherry" for red?

Honestly, when I grew up, I only had the box of eight crayola crayons, and orange and purple were missing. Seriously.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

When I grew up, I only had the box of eight crayola crayons.

I had the box of sixty-four crayons, with a sharpener. Of course I never used the sharpener, my personal British butler always sharpened the crayons before I started coloring. My personal French maid would always clean up the art room after I finished coloring.

[Multiple Sports]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I dont' knwo about flaw, but how far do we take it? What if they object to orange and want it to be "burnt orange?" Or want "maize" for "yellow." or "crimson" or "scarlett" or "cherry" for red?

Honestly, when I grew up, I only had the box of eight crayola crayons, and orange and purple were missing. Seriously.

Bob,

Your parents didn't splurge and get you the box with 64 and the sharpener in the middle ???? I'm sure Billy Mac can find a picture of one of those....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Is there anyone who can find a fundamental, factual flaw within this instruction?

Nope, nor can I find a compelling reason for it. Therefore, I'll continue to go with the norm around here.

[BryanV21]

I can't believe this subject has garnered three pages of conversation.

Those that have told us to call them "orange" instead of "red", or "purple" instead of "blue", are probably not going to care either way. But regardless of the possible repercussions, why not just call the team wearing orange "orange"?

Besides, in our pre-game meeting with each team's captain(s) we let them know what color they will be called. If they want to be called something else due to school pride regarding their colors... who cares? Just do it.



BTW, it looks like orange and purple are there now.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I can't believe this subject has garnered three pages of conversation.

Those that have told us to call them "orange" instead of "red", or "purple" instead of "blue", are probably not going to care either way. But regardless of the possible repercussions, why not just call the team wearing orange "orange"?

Besides, in our pre-game meeting with each team's captain(s) we let them know what color they will be called. If they want to be called something else due to school pride regarding their colors... who cares? Just do it.

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My job as an official is not predicated on what they like. And I stated clearly why earlier why I do not say two or three syllable words. I also said never had anyone care what we called them that deep. And if they cannot understand my reasoning, oh well, their life will go on.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

...

Besides, in our pre-game meeting with each team's captain(s) we let them know what color they will be called. If they want to be called something else due to school pride regarding their colors... who cares? Just do it.
....

You've actually had players who cared? Who've commented?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Those that have told us to call them "orange" instead of "red", or "purple" instead of "blue", are probably not going to care either way. But regardless of the possible repercussions, why not just call the team wearing orange "orange"?

My question is, why worry about it one way or the other. I see this like I see the question of wether to take a rolling suitcase or shoulder-carry duffel bag. Do what you want unless it'll make you stand out in a negative way.

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Besides, in our pre-game meeting with each team's captain(s) we let them know what color they will be called. If they want to be called something else due to school pride regarding their colors... who cares? Just do it.

Wait what? I've never done this. I've had partners do it, but they tend to follow up with reminding them that we have black lines all the way around and talking about the current year POEs.

[Multiple Sports]

[QUOTE=BryanV21;936052]I can't believe this subject has garnered three pages of conversation.



Besides, in our pre-game meeting with each team's captain(s) we let them know what color they will be called. If they want to be called something else due to school pride regarding their colors... who cares? Just do it.


"Hello, I am Mr. Bryan your referee AKA Capt. Obvious and you will be red and you will be white. Have a good game and btw the black line is out of bounds......"

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Besides, in our pre-game meeting with each team's captain(s) we let them know what color they will be called. If they want to be called something else due to school pride regarding their colors... who cares? Just do it.

I never heard of this, either, but I don't think it's a bad idea. I don't see the point in asking for 90% of the teams in this area (white, black, red, gold, blue, green), but if a team wants to be called "purple" (which is as exotic as it gets around here), I don't see a harm in asking. If you think their request is unreasonable, just say so.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I had the box of sixty-four crayons, with a sharpener. Of course I never used the sharpener, my personal British butler always sharpened the crayons before I started coloring. My personal French maid would always clean up the art room after I finished coloring.

I'm calling BS, Billy. Your Penthouse letter explicitly stated the French maid didn't come into your life until well into adolescence.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bainsey

... but if a team wants to be called "purple" (which is as exotic as it gets around here), I don't see a harm in asking. If you think their request is unreasonable, just say so.
...

I've never had a team wanted to be called anything. It's never been a subject of conversation.