Tipped 3 Point Shot

ref18 · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 11, 2003, 08:14pm

At our meeting tonight, a play was brought up where A1 makes a pass from behind the arc, it is tipped by a B player in the 2 point zone, while the ball is going up. The ball goes in, is this a 2 point or a 3 point goal?

Jurassic Referee · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 11, 2003, 08:30pm

Count three points scored.Casebook play 5.2.1SitC(b).

ref18 · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 11, 2003, 08:36pm

Thanks

Jurassic Referee · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Sep 11, 2003, 09:23pm

You're welcome.

Chin Ref · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 12, 2003, 12:26am

What if a normal attempt of 3 but tipped by a defensive player from inside the arc and it goes in. 2 or 3?
Thanks

BktBallRef · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 12, 2003, 12:46am

Hmmm...ask yourself this. If a pass tipped by a defender inside the arc is 3 points, then why wouldn't a normal 3 point attempt, tipped by a defender be worth 3 points?

Chin Ref · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 12, 2003, 01:44am

I thought it's because the last position held by the defender who touched the ball, was in 2-pt area. Pls advice.

Nevadaref · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 12, 2003, 02:13am

Chin,
Look at 5.2.1 C in your casebook.

Jurassic Referee · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 12, 2003, 02:32am

Where the defender legally(i.e.-on the way up)touches the ball has absolutely no bearing in regards as to whether the player will score 2 or 3 points.The only concern that you have is whether the offensive player is completely behind the 3 point line when he originally released the ball.The rule(R5-2-1) says that if you shoot,tap or throw the ball from outside the three point line,you will score 3 points as long as the ball does not touch the floor,a teammate or an official.If the ball does touch the floor,teammate or official,the 3 point try ends,by rule(R4-40-4),and if the ball subsequently goes in,the offensive team can only score 2 points(as long as the ball goes through the basket before time runs out in the quarter). Naturally,if the defender illegally touches the ball(basket interference or goaltending),you would award 2 or 3 points dependant on where the offensive player was when he originally released the ball.

Make sense?

Chin Ref · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Sep 12, 2003, 08:07am

Thank you JR & Nevadaref. I think I need a most updated rule & casebook. I have a 1998-2002 FIBA handbook with rules, cases & mechanics and I also have an Official Basketball Rules 2000 with rules changed 2003. Pls advice again if I can be able to mail-order the updated book and any video or tape to improve my reffing.

oc · #11 (**permalink**) Sat Sep 13, 2003, 05:05am

Chin ref,
Most of the guys on this board are American High School refs using NF rules. Everything these guys wrote about tipped shots is correct for NF rules-but wrong for FIBA rules which you use. Under FIBA rules a tipped 3 point attempt is only worth 2 if the defender jumped from the 2 point area. Likewise if a 2 point attempt is tipped by a defender jumping from the 3 point area and it goes in it will be worth 3 points.(--But I've never seen that happen before and don't expect I will.)

Chin Ref · #12 (**permalink**) Sat Sep 13, 2003, 08:45am

Thank you OC. I'm feeling much better now. BTW, what is NF stands for?

oc · #13 (**permalink**) Sat Sep 13, 2003, 10:31am

NF stands for National Federation of State High School Associations.

These are the rules used by most High Schools (and middle schools) in America.

Chin Ref · #14 (**permalink**) Sat Sep 13, 2003, 10:58am

I see, OC, just like the NBA, the NF modified the FIBA rules.

ChuckElias · #15 (**permalink**) Sat Sep 13, 2003, 12:29pm

Quote:

Originally posted by oc
Under FIBA rules a tipped 3 point attempt is only worth 2 if the defender jumped from the 2 point area.

So A1 attempts a try from behind the 3-point arc. B1 jumps from just inside the 3-point arc and partially blocks the try. The ball enters the basket. You are only going to award 2 points?!?! That seems really silly to me.