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I can be persuaded otherwise on the call itself but my overall point is no one put air in a whistle. If there was ever a play where you could have a triple whistle and an observer wouldn't complain, this would be the one. I agree with Jeff (geez, not again ;) ): the C may not have had the best look, which is basically the look we have on camera. That being said if he didn't have the best look it may have been because he followed the ball. So now we're left with the... *T, who didn't seem to look ahead of the BH/dribbler once she beat her primary defender and the... *L, who at the point of contact was doing a little Tower of Pisa lean into the lane and may have blocked himself out. He's watching the post, which is good, but one of the players he's watching ends up becoming the secondary defender so he really should've known her status (LGP/no LGP) at the point of contact. |
Anyone else hope that when video like this is posted it's not from their state?
Oh, well. :D |
I have a charge, but there needs to be a call either way. Game awareness might help. Twenty point game in the third quarter, and the losing team was likely on edge already and I am betting it wasn't the first comments from the bench. Definitely a T, but like others have said, he needed to step away. If she continues at him, then it is a no-brainer. Of course, we do not want the same official giving both T's, but sometimes, we do not have a choice. Had the official stepped away and then she continued at him with the "horrible" comments, no one would lose any sleep over him giving her the second as well. One of the co-officials needed to be quicker to step in as well.
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1. Most of the time, I don't think I kicked it. 2. Officials miss calls all the time, and coaches still need to maintain their composure. The irony is this coach lost her mind because the officials missed a call that should have gone against her player anyway. Even if I was inclined to give rope to a coach when I kick a call, that wouldn't apply if my kicking the call went in her favor. Who knows, maybe they gave her player a break because of time and score, maybe they just missed it: either way.... |
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Remember those refs who wore the GoPro's......I was thinking about wearing it for every game and emailing the coach/player/fan the video of how idiotic they look to me. We see vids on YouTube about the refs......as refs we need to fight back and post vid of the crazy we see :D |
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All of those advocating a charge call here....good luck dealing with the coach after you make that call. If you thought she was pissed at the no-call, imagine her surprise when you're going the other way.
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The thing about this video that bothers me the most is the L standing across the court dribbling the ball while all the crap is going down...he should have, imo, been the one to make the call, doesn't, and then does nothing to help his partner out.
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Much of what was said already I agree with. I have a charge btw.
I'll pregame plays like this. I say something like, "If we have bodies on the floor and it warrants a call, I don't care if we have a block or a charge because if we have nothing, we're 100% wrong. If we at least have a whistle on the play, we will have at worst a 50/50 shot of getting it right. I'll take 50/50 over 100% wrong every time." |
First time I watched it I had a PC. watched it three more times and still have a PC. Don't know what she said to get the second one, but it must have been the magic words, as she was walking away. He needed to get away and one of his partners needed to get in and be a buffer. Let her vent then settle her down. If she needs another one, let one of the other two do it if at all possible.
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Good discussion and I agree that there could have been more participation in the situation by the other two officials. I haven't worked basketball for a few years now and I have a philosophy-type question. I fully realize that the answer to this may differ depending on where each of you are and your local practices.
As a softball umpire, I have been taught that if I eject a coach, I'm done with that coach. I'm not going to talk anymore to him or her and it's up to my partner(s) to deal with the coach and get him/her out of the area so we can continue the game. Is this same philosophy taught in basketball? Thanks. |
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