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Old Sat Mar 29, 2014, 10:42pm
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Instant replay needs to be thrown into the trash can immediately. The out-of-bounds calls in the Tennessee-Michigan and Wisconsin-Arizona games are the reason it must be done away with. In each game the game was stopped for well over five minutes. Players and coaches are standing around while the officials pour over super slo-mo videos that may or may not give them anymore information than what they observed in real time.

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You sound like an old timer. Accept replay or stop watching.
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You sound like an old timer. Accept replay or stop watching.

I am more than an "old timer" I am a "bald old geezer". The game is played by humans. It is coached by humans. And it is officiated by humans. If one could put Google Glasses on each officials, I would bet dollars to donuts that the officials will grade out significantly higher than the players and coaches. In fact, I would bet dollars to donuts that they would grade out at well over 95%.

But the point is, if it takes over five minutes or longer to make a decision over an out of bounds call and all of the close one must be reviewed in the last two minutes of the second half and each OT period, and all the replay does is show that the officials are correct in almost 100% of the times and the one in the Wisconsin-Arizona game was a toss up, how does that improve the game?

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Old Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:06pm
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If one could put Google Glasses on each officials, I would bet dollars to donuts that the officials will grade out significantly higher than the players and coaches. In fact, I would bet dollars to donuts that they would grade out at well over 95%.
It's Google Glass, not Google Glasses.

I've thought those would be fun to put on new officials to see what they're really watching. IT would certainly make it easy to show them how much ball watching they're really doing.
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Old Sat Mar 29, 2014, 11:32pm
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It's Google Glass, not Google Glasses.

I've thought those would be fun to put on new officials to see what they're really watching. IT would certainly make it easy to show them how much ball watching they're really doing.
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It's Google Glass, not Google Glasses.

I've thought those would be fun to put on new officials to see what they're really watching. IT would certainly make it easy to show them how much ball watching they're really doing.
If only they could track what the eyes are really looking at...do they? Or is it just a view of which way the head is turned? If so, it may or may not tell you what they were looking at.
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The key is to centralize the replays in the NCAA tournament. Of course part of all the replays late in the game is that there is no Precision Timing, so the NCAA has itself to blame. People forget in an NBA Finals game between the Celtics and Lakers a few years ago there were three out of bounds replays in the final minute of the game in Boston.
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Even the "talking heads" on TBS were upset with how long it took on the replay. I forget who said it but to paraphrase what he said: The game was a wonderfully played, fast paced game for 44 minutes and 57 seconds and then it came to a screeching halt for over five minutes." The one of the other "talking heads" said that replay needs a "shot clock", maybe 30 seconds. The shot clock comment made me laugh because I have an intense dislike for the shot clock in any level of game, but that is another story for another time.

Yes, I was rooting for Wisconsin (because it is a Big 10 team) but the replay was so inclusive as to who actually knocked the ball out of bounds that the official who made the call could have initially ruled that the ball was last touched by both players and gone to a Jump Ball/AP Throw-in, and replay would have showed that he was correct.

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... the official who made the call could have initially ruled that the ball was last touched by both players and gone to a Jump Ball/AP Throw-in, and replay would have showed that he was correct.
That was my call initially, in real time, and after only one replay. Did those officials think that you really can't have a ball go out of bounds off of opposing players at the same time? Maybe it's in one of Isaac Newton's Laws, of one of Einstein's Theories? Something about no two things can really happen at the same exact time? One of those two players just had to touch the ball last, and damn if those officials weren't going to figure it out, come hell, or high water, no matter how long it took.
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I am more than an "old timer" I am a "bald old geezer". The game is played by humans. It is coached by humans. And it is officiated by humans. If one could put Google Glasses on each officials, I would bet dollars to donuts that the officials will grade out significantly higher than the players and coaches. In fact, I would bet dollars to donuts that they would grade out at well over 95%.

But the point is, if it takes over five minutes or longer to make a decision over an out of bounds call and all of the close one must be reviewed in the last two minutes of the second half and each OT period, and all the replay does is show that the officials are correct in almost 100% of the times and the one in the Wisconsin-Arizona game was a toss up, how does that improve the game?

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Per John Adams, the crew that worked the Duke v Butler Championship Game graded out at 75% accurate. When they blew their whistles, it was 90% correct; when they didn't blow their whistles, it was 50% correct.

It is the exact reason why John Adams began his crusade to get younger, more mobile officials in the games. They didn't blow their whiskers because they couldn't see the play. They couldn't see the play because hey were not in good position. They weren't in good positions because they couldn't move well enough....

Think about that!!! Only 75% correct I the biggest game of the year, by "supposedly" the best officials!!! Btw, officials working the NBA playoffs are a minimum of 95% correct for the season. I would guesstimate that HS officials are probably 50-60% correct.

Guess we don't need replay, huh?!
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You sound like an old timer. Accept replay or stop watching.
You know, I agree with both of you. The delay in the Wisconsin game was ridiculous. At some point, either overturn it or say the original call was inconclusive. A minute is enough time.
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Old Sun Mar 30, 2014, 12:13am
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You know, I agree with both of you. The delay in the Wisconsin game was ridiculous. At some point, either overturn it or say the original call was inconclusive. A minute is enough time.
Oh, five minutes for an OOB play is ridiculous. I won't argue with that. That's such an anomaly as to how these plays usually play out.
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It would seem the referees can't win for losing.

If they get a play like that wrong, everybody and their dog (including us) is freeze-framing it and slapping it up on the internet, and chatting about how they blew it and (others but not us) saying how it cost someone the game.

So they finally have the technology to ensure they get these calls right (wasn't it indicated a while back that the play we collectively get wrong the MOST is OOB?) we don't like the delay.

The delay is annoying, for sure - and, as some have commented, it may give an advantage to a team who is out of time outs. But I think it's worth it to get the play right.
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It would seem the referees can't win for losing.

If they get a play like that wrong, everybody and their dog (including us) is freeze-framing it and slapping it up on the internet, and chatting about how they blew it and (others but not us) saying how it cost someone the game.

So they finally have the technology to ensure they get these calls right (wasn't it indicated a while back that the play we collectively get wrong the MOST is OOB?) we don't like the delay.

The delay is annoying, for sure - and, as some have commented, it may give an advantage to a team who is out of time outs. But I think it's worth it to get the play right.
If it's conclusive, they can get it right within a minute. If it's longer than that, it's not conclusive and they should stick with the call on the floor.
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(wasn't it indicated a while back that the play we collectively get wrong the MOST is OOB?)
I wish I never got an OOB call wrong but if it was that hard to get it write with replay then I wouldn't expect any ref to be 100% in real time. Of course, I can't think of a time in my career that I've ever made a mistake.
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You know, I agree with both of you. The delay in the Wisconsin game was ridiculous. At some point, either overturn it or say the original call was inconclusive. A minute is enough time.
Better yet, have fans vote online in real-time. #arizonatippeditlast #pcfoulontennessee

Or.....lock John Adams and Art Hyland in a room full of tv's where they can review plays and issue rules interpretations on the fly.
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