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just another ref Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:36pm

Does the fact that it's a RA play change everything or would you still have to report both fouls if one of the other officials had signaled block?

Toren Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:39pm

Block on defender for not being there prior to start of upward motion.

Block on defender for RA, which of course wouldn't have mattered cause I'm calling this a block.

I believe that's Greg Nixon as the C giving the extra information to the Lead. Nice crew work there.

Raymond Thu Mar 27, 2014 07:28am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929196)
Does the fact that it's a RA play change everything or would you still have to report both fouls if one of the other officials had signaled block?

Yes, the RA overides any PC aspect of the play unless A1 extends his arm or leg/foot into the defender, or unless the defender jumps in an attempt to block the shot.

APG Thu Mar 27, 2014 07:56am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929196)
Does the fact that it's a RA play change everything or would you still have to report both fouls if one of the other officials had signaled block?

Secondary Defender

A.R. 92. As A2 makes a drive to the basket, B1, a secondary defender, establishes initial guarding position within the restricted area. Contact occurs. One official calls a charge while another official calls a block.

RULING: B1 was a secondary defender who illegally established initial guarding position within the restricted area. Consequently, the blocking call against B1 is the correct call.
(Rule 4-35 and 10-1.13)

Consequently, this is the first time this year I've seen D-I officials offering information to the calling official as to the position of a secondary defender. It should happen more on the men's side IMO.

just another ref Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:34am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 929219)
Secondary Defender

A.R. 92. As A2 makes a drive to the basket, B1, a secondary defender, establishes initial guarding position within the restricted area. Contact occurs. One official calls a charge while another official calls a block.

RULING: B1 was a secondary defender who illegally established initial guarding position within the restricted area. Consequently, the blocking call against B1 is the correct call.
(Rule 4-35 and 10-1.13)

Interesting. In the other cases, which call is correct has nothing to do with it.

Raymond Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:39am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929248)
Interesting. In the other cases, which call is correct has nothing to do with it.

Because in this case, BY RULE it is a blocking foul. In the other case there is no default call.

Rob1968 Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:41am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 929251)
Because in this case, BY RULE it is a blocking foul. In the other case there is no default call.

. . . just judgement . . . right or wrong . . . or is that right and wrong . . .

APG Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:03am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929248)
Interesting. In the other cases, which call is correct has nothing to do with it.

It's an entirely different case because in this scenario, it's only a matter of if the defender was in the RA or not.

The ruling is also true in the NBA and NCAA-W with regard to the lower defensive box.


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