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CNYREF Tue Mar 25, 2014 06:12pm

NIT: Arkansas vs. California Blarge (Video)
 
I heard there was a Blarge in the cal ark game lastnight anyone see it or have video??

AremRed Tue Mar 25, 2014 06:28pm

According to the play-by-play there were no double fouls called in the game.

just another ref Tue Mar 25, 2014 06:29pm

I'm not sure, but I think the original call was PC, but then was changed to a block. I think maybe another official pointed out the defender was in the RA.

APG Wed Mar 26, 2014 03:57pm

No blarge...in fact, no signals from anyone but the lead:

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rockyroad Wed Mar 26, 2014 04:04pm

Ok...by the new "upward motion" standard in NCAA-M, should this be a block? Or is it PC because of the initial contact being with the offensive player's leg/knee???

Raymond Wed Mar 26, 2014 04:38pm

Upward motion block IMO

Camron Rust Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 929112)
Upward motion block IMO

Agree...plus I believe at least one foot was still in the RA as well.

In HS, I'd probably have a block as well but it was close. I think the shooter was airborne while the defender's torso was still coming forward (not yet to the spot).

Multiple Sports Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:34pm

Albeit it unrelated I got a T for taunting............

Raymond Wed Mar 26, 2014 05:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 929122)
Albeit it unrelated I got a T for taunting............

I thought the same thing when I saw it on Top 10 plays, but now seeing it again I don't think he lingered there too long; he thought better of it.

Multiple Sports Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 929123)
I thought the same thing when I saw it on Top 10 plays, but now seeing it again I don't think he lingered there too long; it thought better of it.

Guess I will be calling the T's on our games again this summer !!!!!!;););)

See you in a few months !!!

JRutledge Wed Mar 26, 2014 06:29pm

I think this is a charge.

Until they clarify when actually they are in their upward motion, he does not gather the ball until his last step, I think the defender is there in time.

If it is that close, I am going charge until they clarify this more in the rules or by interpretation.

Peace

Indianaref Wed Mar 26, 2014 07:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 929137)
I think this is a charge.

Until they clarify when actually they are in their upward motion, he does not gather the ball until his last step, I think the defender is there in time.

If it is that close, I am going charge until they clarify this more in the rules or by interpretation.

Peace

I'm with you on all that, however, the last clip makes me believe this is a RA play, which should be a block.

JRutledge Wed Mar 26, 2014 07:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indianaref (Post 929151)
I'm with you on all that, however, the last clip makes me believe this is a RA play, which should be a block.

It was certainly very close. It looks like the left foot might be over the RA.

Now was this changed to a block or did the call stand?

Peace

just another ref Wed Mar 26, 2014 08:02pm

Changed to a block. He shot free throws.

JRutledge Wed Mar 26, 2014 08:23pm

Well that is what is supposed to happen when the defender is in the RA and the secondary defender.

Peace

just another ref Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:36pm

Does the fact that it's a RA play change everything or would you still have to report both fouls if one of the other officials had signaled block?

Toren Wed Mar 26, 2014 11:39pm

Block on defender for not being there prior to start of upward motion.

Block on defender for RA, which of course wouldn't have mattered cause I'm calling this a block.

I believe that's Greg Nixon as the C giving the extra information to the Lead. Nice crew work there.

Raymond Thu Mar 27, 2014 07:28am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929196)
Does the fact that it's a RA play change everything or would you still have to report both fouls if one of the other officials had signaled block?

Yes, the RA overides any PC aspect of the play unless A1 extends his arm or leg/foot into the defender, or unless the defender jumps in an attempt to block the shot.

APG Thu Mar 27, 2014 07:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929196)
Does the fact that it's a RA play change everything or would you still have to report both fouls if one of the other officials had signaled block?

Secondary Defender

A.R. 92. As A2 makes a drive to the basket, B1, a secondary defender, establishes initial guarding position within the restricted area. Contact occurs. One official calls a charge while another official calls a block.

RULING: B1 was a secondary defender who illegally established initial guarding position within the restricted area. Consequently, the blocking call against B1 is the correct call.
(Rule 4-35 and 10-1.13)

Consequently, this is the first time this year I've seen D-I officials offering information to the calling official as to the position of a secondary defender. It should happen more on the men's side IMO.

just another ref Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 929219)
Secondary Defender

A.R. 92. As A2 makes a drive to the basket, B1, a secondary defender, establishes initial guarding position within the restricted area. Contact occurs. One official calls a charge while another official calls a block.

RULING: B1 was a secondary defender who illegally established initial guarding position within the restricted area. Consequently, the blocking call against B1 is the correct call.
(Rule 4-35 and 10-1.13)

Interesting. In the other cases, which call is correct has nothing to do with it.

Raymond Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929248)
Interesting. In the other cases, which call is correct has nothing to do with it.

Because in this case, BY RULE it is a blocking foul. In the other case there is no default call.

Rob1968 Thu Mar 27, 2014 10:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 929251)
Because in this case, BY RULE it is a blocking foul. In the other case there is no default call.

. . . just judgement . . . right or wrong . . . or is that right and wrong . . .

APG Thu Mar 27, 2014 11:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 929248)
Interesting. In the other cases, which call is correct has nothing to do with it.

It's an entirely different case because in this scenario, it's only a matter of if the defender was in the RA or not.

The ruling is also true in the NBA and NCAA-W with regard to the lower defensive box.


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