ESPN: Coaches Behaving Badly

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I really do not see the issue as what officials are scared to do. I think we have just bought into this crap that "A good officials does not need to....." crap that you see when we turn the other way often.

Then we say things like, "A technical foul is just like any other foul." But the reality that is not true. It is not close to true. I know if I T anyone during the season, I have to give information as to why. I am sure that is looked at the D1 level with a higher level of scrutinty.

We have to get support from the higher ups. And one thing Bilas said in the interview portion of this show was, "The NBA owns the officials and are protected by any mandate the NBA makes." He went on to say that is not the case in the NCAA and if there is going to be a change he feels it will have to come form administrators. Because ratings should never come into a factor when coaches are acting like fools.

Peace

I don't think it's a matter of being "scared" per se. It's a matter of self-preservation IMO. Call a T and have possible fallback (i.e. losing high dollar/high profile games because of coaches' ratings and/or complaints) or let the coaches do whatever (and keep your schedule and pay).

Bilias is right...NBA officials are protected by any mandate they put out. Amongst those are its respect for the game guidelines which largely means coaches are lot more under control than their college counterparts. Until officials have the backing from those in power of giving them games, this problem will get lip service at best.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by APG

I don't think it's a matter of being "scared" per se. It's a matter of self-preservation IMO. Call a T and have possible fallback (i.e. losing high dollar/high profile games because of coaches' ratings and/or complaints) or let the coaches do whatever (and keep your schedule and pay).

Bilias is right...NBA officials are protected by any mandate they put out. Amongst those are its respect for the game guidelines which largely means coaches are lot more under control than their college counterparts. Until officials have the backing from those in power of giving them games, this problem will get lip service at best.

Agreed...having worked for a commissioner/supervisor who did NOT back officials when we called T's on out of control coaches, I can tell you that it sucks. And it does affect game assignments and how much money you make...all because some out of control coach gets whacked (rightly so) and then calls and complains. So was I/were we hesitant to call T's? Hell, yes.

The NCAA could clean it up very quickly if they wanted to.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The NCAA could clean it up very quickly if they wanted to.

Only in the tournament. The rest of the season, it would have to be done by the respective individual conferences.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Adam

Only in the tournament. The rest of the season, it would have to be done by the respective individual conferences.

Maybe...or the NCAA could say that they won't take officials into the tournament who don't enforce bench decorum and sportsmanship POE's.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Maybe...or the NCAA could say that they won't take officials into the tournament who don't enforce bench decorum and sportsmanship POE's.

Most officials would choose working their conference schedules, with multiple games and better money over working a game or two in the NCAA tournament. The amount of money made in the regular season more than makes up for the prestige of working a tournament game.

[JRutledge]

The repeat of the "Outside the Lines" program is on right now.

Peace

[Dexter555]

I've seen so many interviews like these. I've never heard a reporter ask the question, "So Coach, you ran halfway across the court screaming at the top of your lungs, spit flying everywhere, and berated the official. What do you think that official should have done differently, besides change the call of course?"

And even the less hysterical, like the coaches' box. "So coach, you're not a dog. Which other rules shouldn't apply to you? What should the official do when you break the rules? Be honest, now."

Wouldn't have been great if someone had asked them, "So let me get this straight. You completely lost your sh*t on national TV, and the problem is cell phone cameras and facebook?"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dexter555

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And even the less hysterical, like the coaches' box. "So coach, you're not a dog. Which other rules shouldn't apply to you? What should the official do when you break the rules? Be honest, now."

...

"So coach, why did your colleagues put a coaching box in the rule book?"

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Maybe...or the NCAA could say that they won't take officials into the tournament who don't enforce bench decorum and sportsmanship POE's.

They could, but as johnny notes, do you really think many would choose the tournament over a solid regular season?

I don't necessarily think the choice is that stark, but it's not far. They need to get conference buy-in, which is going to be hard as long as krewshewoooski and company run the assylum.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

They could, but as johnny notes, do you really think many would choose the tournament over a solid regular season?

Yes I do. And think of it this way, if a certain conference will not hire you, then there are other conferences that will gladly take a guy that has been in the tournament for years. The key really is what the top dogs would do. Those are the ones that have a lot to lose and can set the standard. And I think more college officials call Technical fouls than high school officials at the varsity level do. Just look at some to the stats and you see a lot of Ts with certain officials on their games.

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't necessarily think the choice is that stark, but it's not far. They need to get conference buy-in, which is going to be hard as long as krewshewoooski and company run the assylum.

The thing is no one if firing Teddy V for what he did a few weeks ago with the Cincinnati coach. They might do something to a guy working one game in that league. But this is an issue for the Commissioner of a conference, not the supervisor of officials. The Supervisor of Officials is going to follow what they are told ultimately.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....But this is an issue for the Commissioner of a conference, not the supervisor of officials. The Supervisor of Officials is going to follow what they are told ultimately.

Peace

This is key. If the Conference Commissioner lets it be known to the ADs and HCs in his conference that the Supervisor of Officials has his/her full backing, then coaches will not be running the asylum. This is probably easier to do in a Mid-Major where the HCs are still trying to move up, as opposed to the BCS type conferences where the some coaches names are synonomous with the schools' programs.

[Rich]

It happens at the HS level, too.

I flagged a football coach for unsportsmanlike conduct in 2004 when he came out to the hashmarks screaming at me. Had a previously assigned game pulled and didn't get offers to work in that conference again until the previous assignor retired.

Interesting thing, though -- been asked to give that conference some Friday nights the past few years and I just don't have any openings. Not being spiteful -- I just moved on and found other places to work (which, in football, isn't that hard to do considering 90% of the games are played at 7PM Fridays).

Most good officials I know have a place or two where they aren't welcome. Happens. Life goes on.