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Old Sat Mar 15, 2014, 03:39pm
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I believe the ended up giving the player who did the pushing a FF1. I agree with that. I would have liked the C to be a little more active there either telling him to knock it off or giving information about what he saw immediately. A little acting but that is not anything close to a basketball play.
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Old Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:48pm
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I believe the ended up giving the player who did the pushing a FF1. I agree with that.
I'd only agree with that if they'd give the flopper a T, making it a double foul.
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T the B player. That will stop all the nonsense that goes on. Then tell the A coach that acting isn't appreciated.
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Old Sun Mar 16, 2014, 06:59am
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T the B player. That will stop all the nonsense that goes on. Then tell the A coach that acting isn't appreciated.
Ball was live, couldn't have a T for that.
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Ball was live, couldn't have a T for that.
Yes, of course. In Fed, INT. In college, the right outcome occurred.
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Old Sun Mar 16, 2014, 12:17am
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I'd only agree with that if they'd give the flopper a T, making it a double foul.
Wouldn't you have a FF1 then a technical foul?
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Old Sun Mar 16, 2014, 12:48am
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There is a difference between flopping and exaggeration. This is exaggeration by the white jersey player. If the black jersey player does not want to be called for a flagrant foul then he should not be sticking his hand there.
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There is a difference between flopping and exaggeration. This is exaggeration by the white jersey player. If the black jersey player does not want to be called for a flagrant foul then he should not be sticking his hand there.
Flopping is faking being fouled. How is exaggeration not within that definition?
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Flopping is faking being fouled. How is exaggeration not within that definition?
It is. Some just wan't to avoid the issue any way they can. If the defender does anything in an attempt to get you to believe there was a foul other than actually being fouled, they have faked a foul.
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It is. Some just wan't to avoid the issue any way they can. If the defender does anything in an attempt to get you to believe there was a foul other than actually being fouled, they have faked a foul.
Wouldn't go that far. A player can be legitimately fouled and still embellish the contact. To me, that doesn't meet the letter or the spirit of the rule.
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It is. Some just wan't to avoid the issue any way they can. If the defender does anything in an attempt to get you to believe there was a foul other than actually being fouled, they have faked a foul.
How many T's have you called for this in your career?
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Old Mon Mar 17, 2014, 01:50pm
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Flopping is faking being fouled. How is exaggeration not within that definition?
All flopping is exaggeration. Not all exaggeration is flopping.

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It is. Some just wan't to avoid the issue any way they can. If the defender does anything in an attempt to get you to believe there was a foul other than actually being fouled, they have faked a foul.
I don't think I'm trying to "avoid the issue any way I can".

Regarding the play in the OP: Was there a foul? Yes. Did the defender exaggerate and act like he was shot, which made it look like he was flopping? Yes. Does the defender deserve a technical foul for this? No.
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Regarding the play in the OP: Was there a foul? Yes. Did the defender exaggerate and act like he was shot, which made it look like he was flopping? Yes. Does the defender deserve a technical foul for this? No.
Correct, because is was live-ball contact, so he received a flagrant personal (FF1).
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It's been stated here before but I don't recall. What determines what they can and can't review? I have a lane violation, before and after the review.
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Old Sun Mar 16, 2014, 08:48am
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I'd only agree with that if they'd give the flopper a T, making it a double foul.
If the offensive player had not exaggerated, the defensive player would have gotten away with foul. The exaggeration is what led to the video review.

But the offensive player most definitely got fouled, so he wasn't faking..
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