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Nevadaref Tue Mar 04, 2014 03:03pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 925631)
I see A1 fall because his momentum has taken him through a stationary defender that has LGP. A block/trip would be a brutal call here IMO. Its PC or nothing. Or you could call a bail out travel I guess. :rolleyes:

That matches my opinion, but BNR doesn't care for it. I'm not going to result to insults though because someone doesn't agree with me.

Raymond Tue Mar 04, 2014 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 925673)
That matches my opinion, but BNR doesn't care for it. I'm not going to result to insults though because someone doesn't agree with me.

I find that response hilarious. Didn't you invent the use of that word in the forum?

IUgrad92 Tue Mar 04, 2014 03:09pm

How does one have LGP when his foot is in the crotch of an offensive player?

rockyroad Tue Mar 04, 2014 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 925675)
I find that response hilarious. Didn't you invent the use of that word in the forum?

Yes, he did.

#olderthanilook Tue Mar 04, 2014 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 925632)
Then what does it mean?

It means, call the game consistently. If a crew "no calls" something they think is worthy a no call on one end, no call it on the other.

But, that doesn't mean a 'no call' is the only option the next time there are bodies on the floor. If there is a foul, call the foul.

In either case, just be consistent.

Raymond Tue Mar 04, 2014 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 925679)
Yes, he did.

In fact, he is the reason I have that phrase under my name...LOL

IUgrad92 Tue Mar 04, 2014 04:24pm

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 925645)
Everything about this play is consistent with the way this crew worked the game.

That would explain why this flop was still occurring even late in the game. It wasn't dealt with early on.......

#olderthanilook Tue Mar 04, 2014 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 925692)
That would explain why this flop was still occurring even late in the game. It wasn't dealt with early on.......

Behind the 8 ball from the get go. Not an enviable position.

YooperRef Tue Mar 04, 2014 04:41pm

Deja Vu
 
I had a very similar play last night and went PC. I think this one goes PC also even though there may have been some embellishment by the defender.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 04, 2014 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 925676)
How does one have LGP when his foot is in the crotch of an offensive player?

Good question if it were actually in his crotch. IBut, it was no where near his crotch. That foot was on the other side of the player and it didn't touch him...at least not in any way that had any bearing on what happened.

A1 went down because he stepped into B1's foot that was in the exact same spot at is was before B1 started falling backwards. In fact, I think A1's stumble actually had little to do with B1...it was coincidental.

I think this is a perfect example of a play that breaks the two whistles down must have a foul philosophy.

I think each player went to the floor more due to their own actions (flopping/embellishment and clumsiness) than the actions of their opponent. I don't think either player disadvantaged the other one.

IUgrad92 Tue Mar 04, 2014 05:11pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 925704)
Good question if it were actually in his crotch. IBut, it was no where near his crotch. That foot was on the other side of the player and it didn't touch him...at least not in any way that had any bearing on what happened.

A1 went down because he stepped into B1's foot that was in the exact same spot at is was before B1 started falling backwards. In fact, I think A1's stumble actually had little to do with B1...it was coincidental.

I think this is a perfect example of a play that breaks the two whistles down must have a foul philosophy.

I think each player went to the floor more due to their own actions (flopping/embellishment and clumsiness) than the actions of their opponent. I don't think either player disadvantaged the other one.

Yeah, I see that now. But looking closer I see B1's left foot is on top of A1's left foot, thus when A1 goes to move/pick up his left foot he can't and it throws him off-balance.

JetMetFan Tue Mar 04, 2014 05:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IUgrad92 (Post 925692)
That would explain why this flop was still occurring even late in the game. It wasn't dealt with early on.......

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 925693)
Behind the 8 ball from the get go. Not an enviable position.

BTW, it wasn't an issue during the game. I watched the entire contest and it was well-played and well-officiated. The kid flopped - for those who think he did - because it was late in the game and he wanted to draw a PC foul. Not an unusual occurrence.

Trust me, if it had been an issue I would've posted the video ;)

just another ref Tue Mar 04, 2014 07:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 925683)
It means, call the game consistently. If a crew "no calls" something they think is worthy a no call on one end, no call it on the other.

When "it" happens on the other end, it may be very similar, but still be worthy of a whistle.

deecee Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 925724)
When "it" happens on the other end, it may be very similar, but still be worthy of a whistle.

Don't pull a xxxxx and only report a snippet. If you quoted his whole post you would have seen that he clearly says cover the foul if it's there.

just another ref Tue Mar 04, 2014 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 925730)
Don't pull a xxxxx and only report a snippet. If you quoted his whole post you would have seen that he clearly says cover the foul if it's there.

That's right. That what renders the main theme useless.

This play was a no call. So if you have a similar play it should be a no call. Unless there's a foul, then you call a foul.

Be consistent.


Just call the game, which is a series of plays, some of which may be quite similar, yet have no bearing on each other.


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