Where problems start... (video)

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by rich

if the c is "on ball" the l should be closing down, looking to rotate, and then doing so. I agree with you - i don't get why some officials don't rotate more frequently or why they hesitate rather than just *going*.

+1

Originally Posted by apg

in the 2nd play, it appears the lead is already looking across the lane. If your eyes are there for that long, you might as well go over and rotate.

As to the c, he's way too high on the play. There's no need for him to be above the ft line extended on this play as he would have had an open look from that position. He also wouldn't have taken himself away from the play at hand and may have been able to help get the first or second foul...

I'm also surprised at the nonchalantness displayed by the lead and center after the player gets tossed to the floor.

+1

[JetMetFan]

If I'm their supervisor/assignor my first question after seeing the video is, "You mean none of you saw Black #11 wrestling White #12 to the floor until White #12 hit the floor?

The conversation goes down hill from that point, starting with the no-call on the first play.

[Nevadaref]

I'm okay with just the OOB call on the first play. I can see deeming that incidental contact as both players go for the ball from about equal positions and neither is placed at a disadvantage.
However, one needs to then be alert and observe these two players (the ones who tangled on the first play) closely for the next few minutes.
In a 3-man crew, there shouldWorst thing that I saw this week was Dustin Hall screaming in Skip's ear with about 1:30 left and not getting penalized. Your crew was in the lockerroom preparing for the next contest. It wasn't a positive moment for the local officials group to tolerate that behavior. never be an unobserved competitive matchup.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm okay with just the OOB call on the first play. I can see deeming that incidental contact as both players go for the ball from about equal positions and neither is placard at a disadvantage.
However, one needs to then be alert and observe these two players (the ones who tangled on the first play) closely for the next few minutes.
In a 3-man crew, there should never be an unobserved competitive matchup.

My thoughts as well.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm okay with just the OOB call on the first play. I can see deeming that incidental contact as both players go for the ball from about equal positions and neither is placard at a disadvantage.
However, one needs to then be alert and observe these two players (the ones who tangled on the first play) closely for the next few minutes.
In a 3-man crew, there should never be an unobserved competitive matchup.

Yeah, it's easy to say there should've been something in retrospect, but absent the subsequent nonsense...it's just an OOB call.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I'm okay with just the OOB call on the first play. I can see deeming that incidental contact as both players go for the ball from about equal positions and neither is placed at a disadvantage.

Originally Posted by AremRed

My thoughts as well.

Originally Posted by Rich

Yeah, it's easy to say there should've been something in retrospect, but absent the subsequent nonsense...it's just an OOB call.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. After the ball is knocked away Black #11 reaches from behind - and through - White #12 and displaces him. It doesn't help matters that after the whistle White #12 swipes back at Black #11.

This isn't Monday Morning QBing on my part. When Nikki sent me the video I didn't know what I was looking for at first so I watched the entire raw clip (it was about five minutes long). When I saw Play #1 I thought that might have been the issue until I saw Play #2.

[Nikki]

Originally Posted by deecee

They are both looking right at the action.

They are both looking right at the action.[/QUOTE]

I'm not saying they're not looking at it, but T maybe doesn't want to come so far to call the 3 or 4 fouls leading up to the big ones from as far away as he is and lead is looking across the paint. C seems completely focused on the ball. I was told all 3 officials said they didn't see what happened until white 12 was on the ground.

I'm not saying your'e wrong, I'm just saying putting yourself in a better (correct) position makes it easier to call the foul(s) and prevent the subsequent actions.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Nikki

C seems completely focused on the ball. I was told all 3 officials said they didn't see what happened until white 12 was on the ground.

C's tunnel vision was a big problem. He has a match-up in front of him but it's not even close to being competitive. A1 is holding the ball and given that C isn't counting I'll assume B1 was more than six feet away from A1. The next competitive match-up is the wrestling match ten feet to his right. A look over there - even for a second or two - wasn't going to hurt since it was apparent A1 wasn't going anywhere.

L was in virtually the same situation. The match-up in his PCA wasn't competitive...to the point that he was looking across the lane as was mentioned before. If he's looking across the lane and all three said they didn't see the take-down until White #12 hit the floor that means the L was watching the ball.