Need an Explanation

[gojeremy]

Can someone please explain the NCAA rule for a player control foul compared to NFHS?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by gojeremy

Can someone please explain the NCAA rule for a player control foul compared to NFHS?

You need to be more specific. Also understand that Men's and Women's have different rules and standards.

Peace

[bballref3966]

NFHS: A player-control foul includes not only a foul by the player holding or dribbling a live ball (definition of "player control"), but also an airborne shooter (does not technically have "player control") who has yet to return a foot to the floor. The onus is on the airborne shooter to avoid illegally contacting a legal defender from the moment he leaves the floor until returning one foot to the floor. No matter when the ball is released or goes through the basket, when a player-control foul occurs, there can be no goal.

NCAA-W: Same rule as NFHS, but be aware that there is also the restricted area and lower defensive box to deal with in regard to secondary defenders and drives to the bucket.

NCAA-M: A player-control foul on a try for goal can only occur before the ball is released; the airborne shooter (who by definition has released the ball) is not included in player-control foul restrictions. If the airborne shooter fouls and the ball goes through the net, the goal counts, and it's treated just like a foul while the ball is in flight on any try for goal.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

No matter when the ball is released or goes through the basket, when a player-control foul occurs, there can be no goal.

4.19.6 SITUATION A: B1 obtains a legal position in A1’s path before A1
becomes airborne. A1 jumps and releases the ball on a try for goal. Before returning
to the floor, airborne shooter A1 charges into B1. (a) Before the foul by A1,
B2 commits basket interference; or (b) after the foul on A1, B2 slaps the ball on
its downward flight. RULING: In (a), both the violation and the foul are penalized.
The basket interference by B2 causes the ball to become dead immediately. The
violation is penalized by awarding the two points. The player-control foul on A1 is
also charged. Team B is awarded the ball for a throw-in anywhere along the end
line. A defensive-goaltending or basket-interference violation committed prior to a
player-control foul does not contradict the general statement that when a playercontrol
foul occurs that player cannot score. In the case of a defensive violation, it
is the violation which results in awarding the score. In (b), the ball becomes dead
and the try ends immediately when the player-control foul on A1 occurs. The
action of B2 is ignored as goaltending cannot occur after the try has ended. The
ball is awarded to Team B for a throw-in from a designated spot out of bounds
closest to where the foul occurred. (4-12-1; 6-7-4; 6-7-9 Exception; 7-5-4a; 9-11)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

4.19.6 SITUATION A: B1 obtains a legal position in....

The statement to which you were responding is true. The difference is in the NCAAM rules, this is not a foul by an airborne shooter (once the try is released).

[gojeremy]

Thanks. I knew the NFHS rule but didn't know the NCAA rule.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Adam

The statement to which you were responding is true. The difference is in the NCAAM rules, this is not a foul by an airborne shooter (once the try is released).

The NFHS added the "airborne shooter" situation for the 1980-81 season; prior to that the NFHS rule was the same as the current NCAA Men's rule. So ends today's history lesson.

I liked the change when it was made, and still do, but I do not like the reason it had to be changed. But that is a story for another time.

MTD, Sr.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I liked the change when it was made, and still do, but I do not like the reason it had to be changed. But that is a story for another time.

MTD, Sr.

Please feel free to share, I'd genuinely like to know.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by gojeremy

Can someone please explain the NCAA rule for a player control foul compared to NFHS?

Yes, it's about $.

(Oh, that isn't what you wanted. )