Quinnipiac/Marist (W)...Travel/Block/PC? (video)

[Welpe]

Finally watched this on the computer instead of my phone. I still have a PC.

I see two feet down and in the path establishing her LGP. I don't think she gets a chance to move her torso forward before she's contacted.

[Bad Zebra]

I'm in the BLOCK camp, but I could live with a PC.

Travel call is awful here. I'd love to hear his thought process as to how he came up with it.

[BayStateRef]

At a college women's camp two years ago, a D-1 clinician said, "Try not to put a crooked number on the scoreboard."

The translation was, if you can find a travel or out-of-bounds violation, that is preferable to calling a foul.

There remain many "expectations" of officials that do not fully match the rule book.

As JetMet said, there is a prevailing attitude "if someone hits the floor, let's make sure we have a whistle." It does not require illegal contact for this whistle, simply an expectation from coaches and conference coordinators that "train wrecks" and other plays with bodies on the floor MUST be accompanied by a whistle.

[youngump]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

At a college women's camp two years ago, a D-1 clinician said, "Try not to put a crooked number on the scoreboard."

Are you trying to make an argument for putting turnovers on the scoreboard ?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Finally watched this on the computer instead of my phone. I still have a PC.

I see two feet down and in the path establishing her LGP. I don't think she gets a chance to move her torso forward before she's contacted.

Another point that supports a conclusion opposite the conclusion you made.

Getting two feet down in such a movement pretty much guarantees that the torso is still going to be moving forward to come up over the feet before they can get stopped.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Getting two feet down in such a movement pretty much guarantees that the torso is still going to be moving forward to come up over the feet before they can get stopped.

Except in this case I cannot see any forward movement by her torso so no I don't think it supports that at all. I'm saying she didn't have the chance to even start moving her torso forward before being contacted.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Welpe

Except in this case I cannot see any forward movement by her torso so no I don't think it supports that at all. I'm saying she didn't have the chance to even start moving her torso forward before being contacted.

If her torso wasn't moving forward, she would be falling backwards. The movement you suggest isn't possible. You can't jump forward with your feet without your torso following.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

If her torso wasn't moving forward, she would be falling backwards. The movement you suggest isn't possible. You can't jump forward with your feet without your torso following.

I just watched the video again. Her torso is not moving forward at contact. It actually looks like she's starting to fall backwards when she's contacted.

At any rate I do not have her moving into the dribbler.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

At a college women's camp two years ago, a D-1 clinician said, "Try not to put a crooked number on the scoreboard."

The translation was, if you can find a travel or out-of-bounds violation, that is preferable to calling a foul...

I can buy that where you have marginal contact or an oob/push near a sideline or endline. This was a good collision on a drive. Travel just feels wrong on this one.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BayStateRef

At a college women's camp two years ago, a D-1 clinician said, "Try not to put a crooked number on the scoreboard."

The translation was, if you can find a travel or out-of-bounds violation, that is preferable to calling a foul.

There remain many "expectations" of officials that do not fully match the rule book.

As JetMet said, there is a prevailing attitude "if someone hits the floor, let's make sure we have a whistle." It does not require illegal contact for this whistle, simply an expectation from coaches and conference coordinators that "train wrecks" and other plays with bodies on the floor MUST be accompanied by a whistle.

I can buy this. The key for me is, "If you can find..." No matter how hard I look, I can't find it here. I don't even think the most trigger-happy travel-calling official among us could find a travel on the tape.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I just watched the video again. Her torso is not moving forward at contact. It actually looks like she's starting to fall backwards when she's contacted.
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That is only because the opponents torso was there to prevent her from going forward anymore.

Bring versatility in to the discussion here. Can a player be in a legal position with their feet not below their torso?

[saluki34]

Block

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That is only because the opponents torso was there to prevent her from going forward anymore.

I don't agree but I'm not going to belabor the point any more. We simply see this play differently.

Bring versatility in to the discussion here. Can a player be in a legal position with their feet not below their torso?

The fact that the contact is to her torso makes this close enough for me on her verticality. If she had contacted an outstretched leg first then I think this could be a consideration.

[zm1283]

Put me in the PC group, but I don't think you would catch a lot of flak for a block here either.

Definitely not a travel.

[ballgame99]

My reaction watching the film full speed was block all the way. D looks to be coming forward. Travel is such a cop out.