NC State at Syracuse ending

[twocentsworth]

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

This is a high-level game being played in a football stadium in front of 30,000+ people at the most intense part of the game. In each of the calls made in the video, the officials "matched the moment" with their mechanics/strength of calls.....

What you or I do in a high-school/small college gym in front of 100 people "ain't gonna work" here.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

This is a high-level game being played in a football stadium in front of 30,000+ people at the most intense part of the game. In each of the calls made in the video, the officials "matched the moment" with their mechanics/strength of calls.....

What you or I do in a high-school/small college gym in front of 100 people "ain't gonna work" here.

I fully agree with this. Make the call match the play.

I also think we're trained to be a little too subdued in HS but that's an argument for another day.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

This is a high-level game being played in a football stadium in front of 30,000+ people at the most intense part of the game. In each of the calls made in the video, the officials "matched the moment" with their mechanics/strength of calls.....

What you or I do in a high-school/small college gym in front of 100 people "ain't gonna work" here.

Absolutely. Probably louder than most of us could ever imagine. He was trying to get his partner's attention and let him know he had a foul. I see very little problem with that kind of action in that moment.

Peace

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The Trail official saw the illegal contact on the shooter, looked to see if the Lead was calling the foul, then when clear that the Lead DID NOT SEE IT, came in with a VERY STRONG whistle (which he ABSOLUTELY should in this situation) and sold the call.

I'll be the Lead was glad that Trail came and got that one right.

Not sure what video you were watching but in no way did he wait for lead. He almost immediately hit the whistle with a fist and then repeated put it up and down.

On the BI he came off the endline almost to the 28 foot mark, again repeatedly dropping the it counts signal.

In no way was it rising to the moment, it was all about look at me make this call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure what video you were watching but in no way did he wait for lead. He almost immediately hit the whistle with a fist and then repeated put it up and down.

On the BI he came off the endline almost to the 28 foot mark, again repeatedly dropping the it counts signal.

In no way was it rising to the moment, it was all about look at me make this call.

Uhh? In Play #1, the Lead has signaled OOB before his fist comes up.

Play #4 stops and he hasn't even crossed the FTLE.

I would say you are the one trying to sell something.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Play #4 stops and he hasn't even crossed the FTLE.

He who, the L? On Play #4 when the violation is committed the L is at the endline and the C is below the FTLE.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure what video you were watching but in no way did he wait for lead. He almost immediately hit the whistle with a fist and then repeated put it up and down.

On the BI he came off the endline almost to the 28 foot mark, again repeatedly dropping the it counts signal.

In no way was it rising to the moment, it was all about look at me make this call.

watch the video angle from behind the Trail official....he watches the play, sees the contact, looks to his left (actually leans a little bit) to see what the Lead is going to call...AND AFTER THE LEAD SIGNALS THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS, the Trail comes in with a VERY STRONG whistle.

take another look....it's on the video!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

He who, the L? On Play #4 when the violation is committed the L is at the endline and the C is below the FTLE.

Read what BZ posted. I'm responding to his comment about Play #4. He said the Lead ran out to the 28' line signaling BI.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Read what BZ posted. I'm responding to his comment about Play #4. He said the Lead ran out to the 28' line signaling BI.

He didn't go as far as BZ said but he did run out to near the FTLE by the time the clip stopped. Not sure how much farther he went after the clip. Maybe BZ saw a more complete clip elsewhere.

Regardless of whether it was the FLTE or the 28' mark, he went overboard on the theatrics.

[walt]

I agree with all the calls with one caveat. #3 I could go either way on it. From the end line camera I am not sure the offensive player had gathered the ball even though he clearly does after the foul and does not dribble again. I would probably have counted it at game speed but I am ok with the "no shot" ruling by the official after watching the video.

On #1, that is a good cadence whistle and he sells it appropriately. After seeing the leads calling the OOB he immediately hits the whistle, just behind leads call.

Originally Posted by maroonx

In the pre-game , do officials discuss what they will call and not call let's say in the last 4 minutes of the game ?

Uh, no.

Originally Posted by Adam

I think a patient whistle on #3 would have been withheld in the end.

Originally Posted by Adam

Frankly, I would like to think I'd have passed on that one altogether.

I believe Syracuse had a foul to give, and were trying to give it. You are saying you would not call this?

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

btw, can we stop with the criticism of the "showboating/theatrics" by the officials in this game?

Originally Posted by Welpe

Make the call match the play.

In the third play, how much you guys wanna bet the Lead yelled "ON THE FLOOR!!!" while pointing to the ground??

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

The Trail official saw the illegal contact on the shooter, looked to see if the Lead was calling the foul, then when clear that the Lead DID NOT SEE IT, came in with a VERY STRONG whistle (which he ABSOLUTELY should in this situation) and sold the call.

I'll be the Lead was glad that Trail came and got that one right.

Here's my thing... If the trail saw the illegal contact, why did he not put a whistle on it at the time of the illegal contact? We are not allowed to use the advantage/disadvantage at the NCAA level this year. This is a play where I can see the T having a whistle anyways, so why didn't he come in earlier with the foul?

He wouldn't have had to sell it so hard had he put a whistle on it earlier...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AremRed

I believe Syracuse had a foul to give, and were trying to give it. You are saying you would not call this?

I'm probably no-calling it for the first 30 minutes. I imagine I'd no-call it during the last 10 seconds, also. I'm not taking away a breakaway layup on that bump if the shooter ends up keeping control (like in this play).

If I blew the whistle, I'd regret it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

Here's my thing... If the trail saw the illegal contact, why did he not put a whistle on it at the time of the illegal contact? We are not allowed to use the advantage/disadvantage at the NCAA level this year. This is a play where I can see the T having a whistle anyways, so why didn't he come in earlier with the foul?

He wouldn't have had to sell it so hard had he put a whistle on it earlier...

So has the NCAA completely disregarded the incidental contact rules? A/D is simply a way of wording that. I highly doubt they want every bit of contact called a foul.

[walt]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

Here's my thing... If the trail saw the illegal contact, why did he not put a whistle on it at the time of the illegal contact? We are not allowed to use the advantage/disadvantage at the NCAA level this year. This is a play where I can see the T having a whistle anyways, so why didn't he come in earlier with the foul?

He wouldn't have had to sell it so hard had he put a whistle on it earlier...

While I agree he might not have to have sold it as hard as he did, it is a good cadence whistle since the Lead is primary on the play. He is a split second after he sees Lead calling it OOB. I don't think it was an advantage/disadvantage thing as much as a secondary coverage whistle.