C'mon, he had only had 26...

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

When did you administer the two free throws?

Right about the time I'm dead inside.

[Nevadaref]

So why wouldn't a team which has a special situation and knows that they possibly wish to play a certain kid simply list him at the bottom of the roster for the final home game?
Simple planning by the coaching staff prevents putting the officials in an awkward spot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So why wouldn't a team which has a special situation and knows that they possibly wish to play a certain kid simply list him at the bottom of the roster for the final home game?
Simple planning by the coaching staff prevents putting the officials in an awkward spot.

I don't disagree completely. I would've preferred better planning.

But it's really not that awkward, not to me.

[Nevadaref]

I didn't know that the coaches had the ability to waive playing rules.

The officials are supposed to be objective administrators of the game.
We can't ignore or set aside rules because people want us to.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I didn't know that the coaches had the ability to waive playing rules.

The officials are supposed to be objective administrators of the game.
We can't ignore or set aside rules because people want us to.

So, you gonna send him to the bench because this young man has wristbands that don't match his teammates?

Good grief...... why make yourself the story here?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by asdf

So, you gonna send him to the bench because this young man has wristbands that don't match his teammates?

Good grief...... why make yourself the story here?

Would simply have him remove them.

Why do some people think that it is so difficult to comply with the rules?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why do some people think that it is so difficult to comply with the rules?

Call me heartless, but I would have a tough time not penalizing the adding of the manager's name to the book. Maybe I would let it side, but like I said, I would have some inner turmoil about whether, or not, to do it. And I would not criticize anyone for letting it slide in their game.

Note that the original post says nothing about the score. Even with the opposing coach agreeing, I'm probably not letting it slide in a close game.

If I do charge the technical, I'm getting the free throws out of the way as quickly, and quietly, as possible.

If a technical foul is charged, it's not the kid's fault, it's not the official's fault, its the coach's, or athletic director's, fault.

OK, you guys can start booing, and throwing rotten tomatoes at me now.

[asdf]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Would simply have him remove them.

Why do some people think that it is so difficult to comply with the rules?

Here's what happened to me 4 years ago.

Team mgr, a young man with Down Syndrome. Wears red wristbands, given to him by his grandfather, everywhere.

Final home game of the season. It's widely known that the young man's grandfather had passed early in the season and everyone knows that he's getting into the game at some point. Home team up big in final two minutes..... enter the young man wearing his red wristbands. (not a school color)

Young man enters game, crosses himself, kisses his wristbands and points to the sky. Not a dry eye in the house, present company included.

He scored two points and was carried off the court by both teams...... While wearing his illegal wristbands.

I challenge anyone to say they could look dead into a TV camera and state with conviction that the rule he was "breaking" was more important than what took place in the final two minutes of that game.

[referee99]

O'Dowd Team Manager

[Nevadaref]

Excellent article. Wonderful moment for the kid.
O'Dowd is ranked #1 in Northern California as the article states.
They were up by 30 at that point in the game.
Therefore, what is the issue with following the rule and assessing the team technical foul? It isn't going to alter the outcome. If the outcome were in doubt, he would not have played according to everything written in the article.
Of course, not charging the T also isn't going to alter the outcome.
However, as an official in a situation where it doesn't make any difference either way, when making the choice to follow the rule or ignore it, it seems that adhering to the rule should be the obvious default.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I didn't know that the coaches had the ability to waive playing rules.

The officials are supposed to be objective administrators of the game.
We can't ignore or set aside rules because people want us to.

I pray you're not ever involved in something like this. For your sake and for the kids'.

[stick]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So why wouldn't a team which has a special situation and knows that they possibly wish to play a certain kid simply list him at the bottom of the roster for the final home game?
Simple planning by the coaching staff prevents putting the officials in an awkward spot.

This happend to me about 3 years ago. Last home game and last game of the season for team A. They had two seniors who were injured and couldn't play. Before the game the coach told us they were going to be in the starting lineup. The script was A1 would jump. He would tip the ball to A2 (injured). A2would pass it to A3 (injured) for a lay up--team B agreed to this and would not play defense. Basket for A3 with an assist for A2. Then the horn would go off and two subs would come in for A2 and A3. Team B agreed and was down 2-0 before the real game began. Everyone knew the script and was cool with it. .

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by stick

Everyone knew the script and was cool with it. .

Nykesha Sales left college as UConn’s all-time leading scorer with 2,178 career points. She scored the record-breaking points as part of a staged controversial layup. Sales had suffered an injury that had essentially ended her collegiate career. UConn's next game (against Villanova University) began with Villanova permitting Sales to complete an uncontested layup. (UConn then returned the favor, allowing Villanova to score. The game essentially began with a 2-2 score before serious play commenced.) UConn head coach Geno Auriemma felt bad that Sales did not already have the record, as he had made her sit on many occasions to avoid running up the score. The staged basket, while questioned in retrospect, was his attempt to make it up to her. He contacted the previous record holder, Kerry Bascom, as well as the Big East Commissioner to ensure that the incident would not be a problem, although the media was, and to a degree continues to be, critical of the move. (Wikipedia)

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by stick

This happend to me about 3 years ago. Last home game and last game of the season for team A. They had two seniors who were injured and couldn't play. Before the game the coach told us they were going to be in the starting lineup. The script was A1 would jump. He would tip the ball to A2 (injured). A2would pass it to A3 (injured) for a lay up--team B agreed to this and would not play defense. Basket for A3 with an assist for A2. Then the horn would go off and two subs would come in for A2 and A3. Team B agreed and was down 2-0 before the real game began. Everyone knew the script and was cool with it. .

As long as A2 and A3 were in the book, this isn't a problem per the rules.
As officials we don't control the actions of the players on the court. We just administer the game per the rules.
So with that said, what was the horn for? There is no rule permitting such a stoppage of play. If the team wants to do this, then it needs to use a 30-second TO or have one of the kids who is leaving commit a foul.
I don't have an issue with teams doing special things for players as long as it is done within the rules, which it easily can be.

Edit: I guess that the team could also have one of the injured players take a knee or sit down on the court following the basket. That would warrant an injury stoppage.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Edit: I guess that the team could also have one of the injured players take a knee or sit down on the court following the basket. That would warrant an injury stoppage.

Is hell freezing over?