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Rich Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:47am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 922939)
Strictly speaking there isn't, but if it hits the ceiling, it's too high.

Obviously, a toss can be (for practical purposes) too high.

just another ref Sat Feb 15, 2014 12:53am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 922942)
Obviously, a toss can be (for practical purposes) too high.

thank you

Camron Rust Sat Feb 15, 2014 04:27am

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Originally Posted by APG (Post 922912)
Put me in the camp of resetting it to 8:00

While I don't think it is required by rule, I also say why bother. It isn't like it is the last 2 seconds.

Nevadaref Sat Feb 15, 2014 05:56am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 922883)
Nevada, how is the touch legal? The jumper grabbed the ball with two hands. My understanding is that this is illegal.

Again, it's not the touching/catching itself that is illegal. It is fact that this action is done by the jumper during a jump ball. So it is not an illegal touch, but rather a jump ball violation. You are confusing a legal touching with the jump ball violation which it causes and thinking that the entire thing is illegal. If a player did this at any other point in the game, it would be just fine.

The touching itself is only illegal if it entails a striking with a fist or a kicking of the ball. I refer you to AP throw-in case plays for discussion of "legally touched."

Nevadaref Sat Feb 15, 2014 06:00am

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Originally Posted by Sharpshooternes (Post 922883)
Nevada, how is the touch legal? The jumper grabbed the ball with two hands. My understanding is that this is illegal.

PS. Tapping the ball with two hands is legal. So don't judge this on whether the catch is with one hand or two. It doesn't make any difference.
A tap or bat is legal, but a catch causes a violation.

BillyMac Sat Feb 15, 2014 08:58am

Illegal Touch ???
 
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 922970)
If a player did this at any other point in the game, it would be just fine.

While the ball was on the rim? Wait? It's not the touching itself that is illegal. It is fact that this action is done by the player while the ball is on the rim. So it is not an illegal touch, but rather a basket interference violation, caused by a legal touch. Or was it a legal touch? The plot thickens.

BillyMac Sat Feb 15, 2014 02:50pm

Still Confused In Connecticut ???
 
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 922871)
Therefore, the clock properly starts on the touch and stops on the whistle for the violation. Leave the clock at 7:58.

So, as the umpire, you're going to chop it in to start the clock, and then stop the clock for the violation?

Would you also chop in the clock if the jumper tapped the ball on the way up?

Adam Sat Feb 15, 2014 02:59pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 923013)
So, as the umpire, you're going to chop it in to start the clock, and then stop the clock for the violation?

Would you also chop in the clock if the jumper tapped the ball on the way up?

Instinct should have you doing this, almost. We are taught to chop on the first touch. It should take a moment to follow with the whistle for a violation, unless you were anticipating....

BillyMac Sat Feb 15, 2014 03:03pm

Instinct ...
 
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 923015)
Instinct should have you doing this, almost. We are taught to chop on the first touch. It should take a moment to follow with the whistle for a violation, unless you were anticipating....

Realistically, sure, I can see your point, another jump ball, same old, same old, boring, boring. But how about this situation on a written mechanics exam?


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