ACs......oh boy

Welpe · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:45am

Something you can say to the HC when his AC is starting to act out is "Coach, your AC is on the verge of costing you your coaching box."

I've used that a few times and it has the desired effect.

I don't pretend ACs don't exist and I will gladly answer polite questions from them at my leisure but I don't tolerate them "losing it" either.

BatteryPowered · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Welpe

Something you can say to the HC when his AC is starting to act out is "Coach, your AC is on the verge of costing you your coaching box."

I've used that a few times and it has the desired effect.

I have said that to a JV HC. He said "That is my boss, you control him. He knows better."

About two trips later I controlled him. JV coach gave him a look, shook his head and took a seat.

Welpe · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:54am

Ouch. Not the first time I've heard of the V HC showing up the JV game and tipping over the apple cart. Happens quite often in football around here.

MD Longhorn · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 11:57am

Don't respond to AC comments that are made in anger or while "going nuts". Address the HC as described above. (The idea that the AC gets more leash at games below varsity is the opposite of anything I've ever heard). Personally, I think you may have waited one step too long on the T here... AC goes nuts - T or at least warn HC - definitely don't address his complaint.

j51969 · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn

Don't respond to AC comments that are made in anger or while "going nuts". Address the HC as described above. (The idea that the AC gets more leash at games below varsity is the opposite of anything I've ever heard). Personally, I think you may have waited one step too long on the T here... AC goes nuts - T or at least warn HC - definitely don't address his complaint.

Any HC that is losing it during the JV is probably on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Snippy comments when you’re in the area is what is normally the case (they just go ignored). However, assistants are what they are during your game. Usually, a quick re-direction to the JV HC that it’s his responsibility to maintain bench decorum has worked for me in the past.

Terrapins Fan · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe

I don't pretend ACs don't exist and I will gladly answer polite questions from them at my leisure but I don't tolerate them "losing it" either.

I was taught, "we talk to ONLY the head coach". I believe that is an excellent rule. It's a fine line from a question to a comment and it only get worse from there. JMO.

Give them an inch.....

Welpe · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I was taught, "we talk to ONLY the head coach". I believe that is an excellent rule. It's a fine line from a question to a comment and it only get worse from there. JMO.

Give them an inch.....

As I said, as long as they are being cordial, I will talk with them. I like to treat ACs like human beings. After all, some of them eventually become HCs.

pfan1981 · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:12pm

What I meant by my leash comment, was the Varsity Assistant knows not to cost the HC a T. The JV assistant may not know this as much. Right?

MD Longhorn · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:10pm

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Originally Posted by pfan1981

What I meant by my leash comment, was the Varsity Assistant knows not to cost the HC a T. The JV assistant may not know this as much. Right?

Not only do I disagree, I would profer that in the instances where you're right - one way to learn quickly is for them to be taught by example.

You, the official, are not responsible for doing your job differently based on the rules knowledge of your coaches or players. Don't give them more rope than you would any other AC.

JRutledge · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:26pm

AC are like children. Seen and not heard. And just like children, I will listen what I have to say, but I am not listening to them over the adults (Head Coaches) when the adults are talking.

I would have T's up the coach too and probably would not have said anything to him when he asked the question about the warning.

Peace

Adam · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 02:30pm

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Originally Posted by pfan1981

What I meant by my leash comment, was the Varsity Assistant knows not to cost the HC a T. The JV assistant may not know this as much. Right?

If anything, their lack of understanding gives them a shorter rope. Deal with it sooner and more harshly.

I am curious, though. When you addressed the HC about the no-call, was it purely because of his AC going crazy? IOW, was the HC also asking? I honestly would have likely addressed that instead of the play. "Coach, I really can't discuss this until you get your bench under control." With his AC going nuts, the HC isn't getting any response from me on an actual call. He needs to deal with his bench first.

Raymond · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 01:22pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe

As I said, as long as they are being cordial, I will talk with them. I like to treat ACs like human beings. After all, some of them eventually become HCs.

I treat all ACs like human beings. Some human beings I ignore, some I don't.

Seriously though, I'm not talking to ACs who are whining and commenting about calls. I'll talk at them, as in "that's enough". Now, if at some point during the administration of a time-out, they ask me quietly "could please see if they are holding our players coming off of picks?", I acknowledge with an "ok, and move on.

stick · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:15pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe

As I said, as long as they are being cordial, I will talk with them. I like to treat ACs like human beings. After all, some of them eventually become HCs.

The key being as long as they are being cordial. Like the seeder post indicated, if they start mouthing off and getting argumentative then I go to the HC and tell him to settle his AC down. If he doesn't or can't, then I will.

Mark Padgett · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe

I like to treat ACs like human beings. After all, some of them eventually become HCs.

What's that got to do with becoming a human being?

bainsey · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Feb 14, 2014, 03:13pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe

Something you can say to the HC when his AC is starting to act out is "Coach, your AC is on the verge of costing you your coaching box."

There it is. I used ths one last week in my season finale.

AC didn't like two first-half rulings, and on the second one (a PC foul), he yells, "that's TWO!" I was thinking, he better not get to three.

On the way back down the court, the HC complained "he was moving." He didn't hear my reply ("yes, backwards"), so I took a minute at haftime to explain the call (LGP was established before movement). He accepted that, and I told him to mind his bench, with a variation of Welpe's line.

As I was leaving the court after the final buzzer (3-point home victory), the AC approached me, apologized, and shook my hand. Not a bad way to finish the season.