Here we go again!!!!

[jeremy341a]

Originally Posted by Rooster

Only because of the video that was recently embedded in one of our other discussions. Take out the movie reference and the "Be nice" principle is not a bad one to have. I've heard it in a lot of places and from a lot of mentors before I even knew it was in a movie. YMMV, I guess.

I know the good looking guy that embedded it. Even though it is from a movie, it is solid advice.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by fullor30

...NU game the other night and friend was behind NU bench....Collins gets overly petulant with Ted Valentine who without whacking him tells Collins he's heard enough. Valentine then ignores Collins for rest of game as Collins tries to engage him. He's done with him. Collins knew his place.....

From what I've heard, Collins had a rep of being a jack-wagon when he was assisting at Duke. He probably already has a short leash.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think he figured it out and is why he said what he did at the end of the game. But that is just my take.

Peace

I missed it, what did he say at the end of the game?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Adam

I missed it, what did he say at the end of the game?

"The next time I have you, I promise I will not get a T."

Peace

[billyu2]

In most cases, you simply cannot reason with these types of coaches. They have firmly established reputations of being annoying, distracting and sarcastic. Ignoring them, trying to appease them or beating around the bush in response to their "innocent" questions does nothing to put them in their place and allows them the feeling they can continue to behave the way they do. It's the right thing for an official to have an "okay, it's a new game attitude." But if the coach doesn't have that same attitude, things are likely to start right after the opening tip, or, in Rut's case even before the game starts. We have a few of those coaches in our area and I have found, at least for me, it works best to deal with them directly, clearly and quickly. For example, if that coach is going to carry over what happened in the previous game, then I'm going to address his concern right now. "Coach, the rule allows you to coach your players within the coaching box. It does not allow you to coach, instruct or criticize the officials. You violated that rule. That rule will be enforced today as well." e-o-d.

[Rooster]

Originally Posted by jeremy341a

I know the good looking guy that embedded it. Even though it is from a movie, it is solid advice.

Which is why I made reference to it. I for one appreciated it. BTW, don't get caught making out with your mirror.

[VACaller]

Although you and your crew got through the game without T’ing him, you may have made it worse on the next crew that gets him. Based on your post, I can’t tell whether he deserved a T in this game and you chose not to give it to him because you ignored him or he was annoying but not to the level of a T. By getting the win and not getting T’d, whatever his behavior was during that game will probably be his standard or he’ll see how much further another crew will let him go. Most coaches that have been T’d on a regular basis know where the line is and when they’ve crossed it. Find out who has him next and see how he acted.

[BatteryPowered]

Of course, when he started you could have just taken a page from former MLB umpire Ron Luciano in his dealing with Earl Weaver...run him before the game even starts.

[Mark Padgett]

Many years ago, we had a former NBA player who coached his two daughters in our local kids rec league. He was, without a doubt, the most enjoyable coach I have ever had on a bench. Virtually every time we called a violation or foul, he would explain it to his girls. If they started getting "too many" fouls, he would request a timeout and speak to them about it, never yelling, just instructing.

He also would encourage them constantly and praise them on every good play. Sometimes he would remind them to listen to the officials and to do whatever we told them to do. If fact, sometimes he would even thank us for making certain foul calls against his team because it was "teaching his team why they were fouls".

If he wanted a rule explained, he would wait until a break then thank us for explaining it to him.

If I ever had to pick a "model coach", especially for young kids games, he was it. Oh yeah - his name is Kevin Kunnert.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by grunewar

I actually agree with BillyMac. Whoda thunk?

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

From what I've heard, Collins had a rep of being a jack-wagon when he was assisting at Duke. He probably already has a short leash.

He learned from the Jedi Master

[Mregor]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This kind of situation never happened to me. Never had a coach ever make a point to say what happened in a game at that time before the contest. I did everything to be professional but did not know if I should have said other things.

What would you have done? Would you have even addressed it or come up with some other way to handle the situation?

Peace (Sorry for being long)

That's tough and there is no single simple answer. I had a weird one this year and I'll tell you what we did. D2, BV. 2-man state, work with regular partner. We ran this coach on a Tuesday at home. 2 direct T-s and one indirect (2nd direct came after first 2). Not a very good team, about middle of pack. Partner t-'s coach for wanting a cary call on high dribble. Demonstrative with large arm circles. Told to stop, keeps on, whack. We get together, as P administers FT's, I talk. He says I can't do this and does it again. I say no, you are trying to show us up. Asst, gives me the waive off so wack #2 and since he's bench, indirect to coach. Coach has to sit remainder and on a PC foul call by P, HC throws clipboard down. Wack #3. I tell coach he needs to leave. He just sits down and doesn't say anything. I go to table tell them to get AD here. They already on phone. AD comes in and I tell her HC needs to leave. She goes over and he slowly packs up and continues to stare us down. I'm fine with that, he's the one looking like a-hole. Just adds to our report that he would not leave and had to e escorted out.

Anyway, we have him the next week again as Visitor. Don't believe he can see officials names because he doesn't host. First time he knows is when he sees us in civies in stands of JV game. He immediately comes over and apologizes for his actions. I really thought it sincere. We accept and said thank you and that was it. But I was wondering what was going to happen because he was big time jerk that night. We talked about it and decided we would not even address it and if he did, we were going to say that was a different night and was not personal for us. I don't think it would have mattered as whatever we did, I'm sure it would have been revenge on our part. We thought about turning it back but then he would have beat us. By accepting the game, we were making a statment. Feel we did it right and got the best possible result. He actually coached and his team won when they shouldn't have on paper. Hopefully he learned something. We did.