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Lotto Sat Feb 08, 2014 09:27am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 921846)
Yup thats what happened in my game last night. Shooter jumps (tallest kid on the floor) ball gets blocked while still holding ball, ball is released but still getting blocked, ball lands back in shooters hands, shooter lands back on the court.

I'm trail and I call held ball. After the game, partner is not sure either way about the call. As soon as I blow the whistle I have my own doubts. Between the force of the block and the shooters attempt to shoot I ended up feeling like WTF after I made the call. Was it a shot attempt? yes. Was the ball released? yes. But was the ball released purely because of A1's attempt or B1's block? Both. So that was my quasi justification for the jump ball.

Because the ball was released, whether it was due to the block or the attempt, the player was not "prevented from releasing the ball to pass or try for goal." I think this should have been a no call.

johnny d Sat Feb 08, 2014 09:34am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 921846)
But was the ball released purely because of A1's attempt or B1's block? Both.

Is this the first documented case of quantum mechanics and superposition occurring in a basketball game? :D

deecee Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:33am

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 921848)
Is this the first documented case of quantum mechanics and superposition occurring in a basketball game? :D

Tell me about it. It was almost like he lost control. And if that was the case and it hits the floor its a held ball. I don't know anymore. I should know better. Patient whistle, and pass on this one.

Rich Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 921848)
Is this the first documented case of quantum mechanics and superposition occurring in a basketball game? :D

Schrodinger's cat is simultaneously interested and not interested in the response.

bob jenkins Sat Feb 08, 2014 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 921852)
Tell me about it. It was almost like he lost control. And if that was the case and it hits the floor its a held ball. I don't know anymore. I should know better. Patient whistle, and pass on this one.

????
As for the rest, sometime you just need to officiate.

As I envision the play, I have nothing -- the ball came out.

BillyMac Sat Feb 08, 2014 02:46pm

Lots Of Variables ...
 
When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball.

If, in this situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues.

If, in this situation, the defender simply touches the ball, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation.

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

Camron Rust Sat Feb 08, 2014 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 921862)
Schrodinger's cat is simultaneously interested and not interested in the response.

But what would your call be from the slit? Double dribble?

Nevadaref Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:26pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 921846)
Yup thats what happened in my game last night. Shooter jumps (tallest kid on the floor) ball gets blocked while still holding ball, ball is released but still getting blocked, ball lands back in shooters hands, shooter lands back on the court.

I'm trail and I call held ball. After the game, partner is not sure either way about the call. As soon as I blow the whistle I have my own doubts. Between the force of the block and the shooters attempt to shoot I ended up feeling like WTF after I made the call. Was it a shot attempt? yes. Was the ball released? yes. But was the ball released purely because of A1's attempt or B1's block? Both. So that was my quasi justification for the jump ball.

1. The action as described doesn't warrant a whistle.
2. Was the tallest kid on the floor in the FT lane? Wondering about PCA and thinking that the Trail may have involved himself in a marginal decision in the Lead's primary.

johnny d Sat Feb 08, 2014 11:29pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 921862)
Schrodinger's cat is simultaneously interested and not interested in the response.

Is that before the box is opened and the cat is both alive and dead at the same time, or after the box has been opened and it has been determined that the cat is dead or alive?

deecee Sun Feb 09, 2014 09:11am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 921921)
1. The action as described doesn't warrant a whistle.
2. Was the tallest kid on the floor in the FT lane? Wondering about PCA and thinking that the Trail may have involved himself in a marginal decision in the Lead's primary.

He was on the high post on the leads side. And I absolutely kicked this one :mad:


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