Blocked shot - Held ball or No call
 

I can't find anything that definitively cover the following.

Shooter jumps and the ball is blocked so it barely leaves the shooters hand. Ball returns to the shooters hands before he returns to the floor.

No call or held ball?

If it leaves the hand at all, no call.

I think you have to see it to know for sure, it could be either. The easy call is Jump ball, then there's no confusion on the sideline.

4.25.2 SITUATION:

A1 jumps to try for goal or to pass the ball. B1 leaps or reaches and is able to put his/her hands on the ball and keep A1 from releasing it. A1: (a) returns to the floor with the ball; or (b) is unable to control the ball and it drops to the floor.

RULING: A held ball results immediately in (a) and (b) when *airborne A1 is prevented from releasing the ball to pass or try for goal.

ART. 2

An opponent places his/her hand(s) on the ball and prevents an *airborne player from throwing the ball or releasing it on a try.

As soon as the ball leaves the shooter's hand it's a shot, and there's no team or player control during a shot. So I don't see how you can have anything but a "play on".

Then again, until the shooter returns to the floor he/she is an "airborne shooter". My guess is that the "airborne shooter" only comes into affect if there's a foul. But I could be wrong there.

No. It isn't necessarily a shot. If the defender knocks it out, rather than the "shooter" releasing it, I wouldn't call it a shot and team control continues....(edit) and player control briefly ends but starts again when the ball returned to the shooter's hands.

I understand that that would be the case, but the wording in the OP makes it sound like the ball did leave the shooter's hand. That's how I took saying "it barely leaves the shooters hand"?.

If the ball leaves the hands, no matter how briefly, player control is lost. The shooter may then grab the ball and return to the floor with no whistle, but there will be a lot of noise from the fans/opposing players and coach.

It left the hand due to the block, not the shooter releasing it in the form of a shot.

I guess I misread the post.

Either way, it is legal for the shooter to land with the ball. The only difference would be statistical.

If the shooter does not catch the ball in the air, the difference could be significant if there's a foul by the shooter or his teammate while the ball is loose.

True, but in the OP, it was caught....or at least that is how I read it.

Me too. I was expanding a bit.

Yup thats what happened in my game last night. Shooter jumps (tallest kid on the floor) ball gets blocked while still holding ball, ball is released but still getting blocked, ball lands back in shooters hands, shooter lands back on the court.

I'm trail and I call held ball. After the game, partner is not sure either way about the call. As soon as I blow the whistle I have my own doubts. Between the force of the block and the shooters attempt to shoot I ended up feeling like WTF after I made the call. Was it a shot attempt? yes. Was the ball released? yes. But was the ball released purely because of A1's attempt or B1's block? Both. So that was my quasi justification for the jump ball.

Because the ball was released, whether it was due to the block or the attempt, the player was not "prevented from releasing the ball to pass or try for goal." I think this should have been a no call.

Is this the first documented case of quantum mechanics and superposition occurring in a basketball game? :D

Tell me about it. It was almost like he lost control. And if that was the case and it hits the floor its a held ball. I don't know anymore. I should know better. Patient whistle, and pass on this one.

Schrodinger's cat is simultaneously interested and not interested in the response.

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As for the rest, sometime you just need to officiate.

As I envision the play, I have nothing -- the ball came out.

Lots Of Variables ...
 

When an airborne player keeps control of an attempted shot that is blocked and is unable to release the ball and returns to the floor with it, that player has not traveled; it is a held ball.

If, in this situation, the shooter loses control of the ball because of the block, then this is simply a blocked shot and play continues.

If, in this situation, the defender simply touches the ball, and the airborne shooter returns to the floor holding the ball, it’s a traveling violation.

When an airborne player tries for goal, sees that the try will be blocked, purposely drops the ball, and picks up the ball after it hits the floor, that player has traveled by starting a dribble with the pivot foot off the floor.

But what would your call be from the slit? Double dribble?

1. The action as described doesn't warrant a whistle.
2. Was the tallest kid on the floor in the FT lane? Wondering about PCA and thinking that the Trail may have involved himself in a marginal decision in the Lead's primary.

Is that before the box is opened and the cat is both alive and dead at the same time, or after the box has been opened and it has been determined that the cat is dead or alive?

He was on the high post on the leads side. And I absolutely kicked this one :mad: