Coach Disqualification

[Scooby]

I had a coach disqualification that went poorly. Girls JV game that was fairly physical game. In the 4th quarter the visitor turn the ball over and then I have foul on the drive going the other way. When I was report the foul the visiting coach comes on the floor complaining that it was a foul on the turn over. She get her 1st T. She get louder and comes further on the court and complains louder. I finish reporting the foul and the 2 technical fouls and she head towards the exit.
We get the shooter on the line and I see that the assistant coach is standing and I tell her that there is no longer a coaching box, she retorts that the technicals were not on her. Now I see that the Head coach either returned to the gym or never left and is standing in the corner doorway. I get the AD and ask him have her leave. She yells the she is leaving and proceeds to cross the entire gym diagonally through the middle of the court and she received a standing ovation from the visitor's crowd and her players.

How could I have handled this situation better?

[JRutledge]

I do not know if there is really a better way. But if she did not leave in a timely manner, all of that would go in the report that at least here we have to file. Then I would let the state and school deal with their behavior. Not sure that applies to your area, but that is really mostly how I would handle it other than holding up the game until they have left. Giving another T to the coach really does little to help as well, so make them act like a fool and then let the higher-ups decide if that is acceptable behavior for a JV coach. Many would not be happy with that behavior as they are representing kids.

And when we file a "Special Report" in our state, this information goes to the Principal, AD and Superintendent. And then the the offender has to respond to the IHSA as to how this happened and how it will not happen in the future. But that is how things are handled here, I would not be surprised if similar process happens with ejections either in your state or region. If not, that is all you can do is report this information to your assignors or association so they can deal with the fall out.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Scooby

I had a coach disqualification that went poorly. Girls JV game that was fairly physical game. In the 4th quarter the visitor turn the ball over and then I have foul on the drive going the other way. When I was report the foul the visiting coach comes on the floor complaining that it was a foul on the turn over. She get her 1st T. She get louder and comes further on the court and complains louder. I finish reporting the foul and the 2 technical fouls and she head towards the exit.
We get the shooter on the line and I see that the assistant coach is standing and I tell her that there is no longer a coaching box, she retorts that the technicals were not on her. Now I see that the Head coach either returned to the gym or never left and is standing in the corner doorway. I get the AD and ask him have her leave. She yells the she is leaving and proceeds to cross the entire gym diagonally through the middle of the court and she received a standing ovation from the visitor's crowd and her players.

How could I have handled this situation better?

I would give her a third T (I think, I'm not sure really). Report to my association. I would also make it clear to the new "HC" that the rope she may have had got burned up when the original HC did her parade across the court. Quite honestly I cannot imagine this happening and there is a good possibility that I may freeze and not know what the heck I should do or what I would do.

But I personally (think this is what I would do), and in a HS game this has never happened, is if anyone is getting tossed I would make it clear when I tell the table "he/she has 60 seconds to leave the court otherwise it's a forfeit". If a coach was slow to leave there would be leeway, but they gotta go, and game management better be helping them along. But a forfeit is not the path I would want to take.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Here I believe ejected coaches have to meet with their principal's and serve a suspension before they are cleared to coach at any level again.Be as detailed as you can in your report about the coaches actions & let your higher ups handle it.
Rut-how would you hold the game up in this situation? Players to your benches,tell timer to put 1:00 minute on clock and inform new HC that if ejected coach is not gone by the end of that minute this contest is a forfeit? Have host site security escort the coach out of facility so that game can be resumed?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Rut-how would you hold the game up in this situation? Players to your benches,tell timer to put 1:00 minute on clock and inform new HC that if ejected coach is not gone by the end of that minute this contest is a forfeit? Have host site security escort the coach out of facility so that game can be resumed?

I would not do any of those things. Tell the coach they must leave before we continue. Not putting time on the clock or even using forefeit as an option to the offender. Just not starting the game without them gone and use GM to help in that cause. And that is if they are making a scene by where they are standing.

Peace

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by Scooby

I had a coach disqualification that went poorly. Girls JV game that was fairly physical game. In the 4th quarter the visitor turn the ball over and then I have foul on the drive going the other way. When I was report the foul the visiting coach comes on the floor complaining that it was a foul on the turn over. She get her 1st T. She get louder and comes further on the court and complains louder. I finish reporting the foul and the 2 technical fouls and she head towards the exit.
We get the shooter on the line and I see that the assistant coach is standing and I tell her that there is no longer a coaching box, she retorts that the technicals were not on her. Now I see that the Head coach either returned to the gym or never left and is standing in the corner doorway. I get the AD and ask him have her leave. She yells the she is leaving and proceeds to cross the entire gym diagonally through the middle of the court and she received a standing ovation from the visitor's crowd and her players.

How could I have handled this situation better?

The only way I can see this being handled better would be if your partner had gotten involved. I might have asked my partner to address the assistant coach in this instance for the sake of avoiding further incidents.

I had a very high ranking official in my association tell me in a pre-game that he will almost never "double-whack" a coach, and if he has too, he considers it a failure of his partner(s). The point being that your partner should step in and call the 2nd T on the coach if the behavior is such that it can't be ignored. And after calling the first T, do everything that you can to avoid escalating the situation. A coach coming on the the court after a T and continuing to yell louder and louder should be easy for your partner to come and get. Along those lines, after giving the T, I would briefly ignore the coach while that foul is reported. If your partner(s) haven't stepped in by the time that foul is reported, then I guess its on you to issue the second T.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Here I believe ejected coaches have to meet with their principal's and serve a suspension before they are cleared to coach at any level again.Be as detailed as you can in your report about the coaches actions & let your higher ups handle it.
Rut-how would you hold the game up in this situation? Players to your benches,tell timer to put 1:00 minute on clock and inform new HC that if ejected coach is not gone by the end of that minute this contest is a forfeit? Have host site security escort the coach out of facility so that game can be resumed?

The "1:00 or forfeit" can work in rec / aau ball.

I wouldn't use it in HS ball at almost any level.

[Rich]

A forfeit is the nuclear option in an organized HS game. It's a situation where you can be right and yet be VERY, VERY wrong, if you get my drift.

I would have game management or the police remove a coach before I would forfeit a game.

Also, I would probably get the new head coach involved and tell him that he doesn't want to receive a technical foul for not helping to rein the former head coach. And I would follow through on that one, too. I wouldn't whack the already-ejected coach, but the new head coach has a duty now.

I've had 2 coach ejections in 27 years and both were before 1995. They both went quietly.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by Rich

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I've had 2 coach ejections in 27 years and both were before 1995. They both went quietly.

I couldn't even tell you the last time i ran a coach. All of the memorable one's were from idiot AAU coaches.

[JRutledge]

I ran a coach a few days ago. The last was before 2000. Coach left without any incident with me. He knew he was run and left without making much of a fuss.

Peace

[stick]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I ran a coach a few days ago. The last was before 2000. Coach left without any incident with me. He knew he was run and left without making much of a fuss.

Peace

I suspect a majority of coaches who carry things too far want to get tossed. In most cases their team is getting beat so they vent their frustration on the officials. I know one official who won't toss a coach who acts that way because he wants him to stay and experience the a-- whopping his team is getting. Interesting approach!

[j51969]

Originally Posted by stick

I suspect a majority of coaches who carry things too far want to get tossed. In most cases their team is getting beat so they vent their frustration on the officials. I know one official who won't toss a coach who acts that way because he wants him to stay and experience the a-- whopping his team is getting. Interesting approach!

I had this happen once (Rockford big 12 at that time). They had a certain Bosnian player that was really good. I can't remember the visiting school, but like most at that time it was a beating early. He gets wacked in the first half by one of my partners. At half-time he suggests that if we have to stay out there and witness this so should he. So reguardless of his antics we weren't giving him the satifsfaction. At a time out one of the other guys quitely gives him our perspective. He sat down and looked completely beat. Home coach couldn't believe we were letting him get away with this until he was let in on why we were doing it. priceless

[deecee]

Originally Posted by stick

I suspect a majority of coaches who carry things too far want to get tossed. In most cases their team is getting beat so they vent their frustration on the officials. I know one official who won't toss a coach who acts that way because he wants him to stay and experience the a-- whopping his team is getting. Interesting approach!

I've heard this before and let me say I disagree 1000%. We aren't there to scold (as much as we may like) or spank a coach. He does something to deserve a T, he gets a T. The score of the game should NEVER dictate our jobs.

[j51969]

Originally Posted by deecee

I've heard this before and let me say I disagree 1000%. We aren't there to scold (as much as we may like) or spank a coach. He does something to deserve a T, he gets a T. The score of the game should NEVER dictate our jobs.

Your are correct. It seemed like the thing to do at that time (16 years ago). If I was in that situation now I wouldn't do that. In no way am I suggesting someone adopt this a way of punishing a coach. In hindsight it was bush on our part, but luckily that one time effective.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Scooby

I had a coach disqualification that went poorly. Girls JV game that was fairly physical game. In the 4th quarter the visitor turn the ball over and then I have foul on the drive going the other way. When I was report the foul the visiting coach comes on the floor complaining that it was a foul on the turn over. She get her 1st T. She get louder and comes further on the court and complains louder. I finish reporting the foul and the 2 technical fouls and she head towards the exit.
We get the shooter on the line and I see that the assistant coach is standing and I tell her that there is no longer a coaching box, she retorts that the technicals were not on her. Now I see that the Head coach either returned to the gym or never left and is standing in the corner doorway. I get the AD and ask him have her leave. She yells the she is leaving and proceeds to cross the entire gym diagonally through the middle of the court and she received a standing ovation from the visitor's crowd and her players.

How could I have handled this situation better?

For clarity's sake,

You are in the middle of the report and give the first technical? Then finish the report and whack a second time?

I wasn't sure from the above when the second technical happened.

If i'm interpreting the above correctly I would say this.

Personally, I never interrupt my report. If the coach is going banana's before the report then fine deal with that...before the report. Once I start my report, I'm going to finish...and if the coach is still going off or earned it during my report...then I whack.