Need some help...

BatteryPowered · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 02:29pm

I may have kicked something Saturday after I ran an assistant. Since I am just coming back I don't have current books and cannot find the old ones. I know that the head coach can select the person to shoot the free throws for a technical and since there was an ejection for not knowing when to stop complaining there obviously were two technicals given to the assistant.

1) If the HC wants someone on the bench to take some of the shots can he substitute before the shots are taken for the first technical?
2) If not, can he substitute after the first of the two shots (substitutes can enter before the administration of the last free throw for a foul)?
3) Can the coach have one player shoot the first free throw and a different player shoot the second when shooting FTs or a T?

I you could, please give me a rule cite. We allowed a sub to enter and that player shot the FTs for the second T. My partner (very new) and I debated this afterwards and I think I got it right. But it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that I messed that up.

tjones1 · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 02:31pm

1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) Yes.

8-3
The free throws awarded because of a technical foul may be attempted by any player of the offended team, including an eligible substitute or designated starter. The coach or captain shall designate the free thrower(s).

Edit:

2003-2004 Rules Interp

SITUATION 13: Technical foul shooter A1 attempts the first free throw and substitute A6 attempts the second. RULING: Legal. Technical foul free throws may be attempted by any player or eligible substitute. Therefore, two different players may attempt the throws. (8-3)

bob jenkins · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 02:33pm

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Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I may have kicked something Saturday after I ran an assistant. Since I am just coming back I don't have current books and cannot find the old ones. I know that the head coach can select the person to shoot the free throws for a technical and since there was an ejection for not knowing when to stop complaining there obviously were two technicals given to the assistant.

1) If the HC wants someone on the bench to take some of the shots can he substitute before the shots are taken for the first technical?
2) If not, can he substitute after the first of the two shots (substitutes can enter before the administration of the last free throw for a foul)?
3) Can the coach have one player shoot the first free throw and a different player shoot the second when shooting FTs or a T?

I you could, please give me a rule cite. We allowed a sub to enter and that player shot the FTs for the second T. My partner (very new) and I debated this afterwards and I think I got it right. But it is not beyond the realm of possibilities that I messed that up.

In HS, any eligible* player or sub can shoot any of the FTs for a T. So, you could have had 4 different players, all of whom were on the bench to start, shoot the FTs here.

* -- Note that if a player has left the game and the clock hasn't run, s/he's not eligible to reenter.

BktBallRef · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 03:05pm

Not allowing a substitute to enter until just before the last FT only applies to PERSONAL fouls.

Sorry, don't have time to look it up but I assure you, that's the rule.

BatteryPowered · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 03:09pm

I found the current rule book online in PDF format. Even though I couldn't save it to my computer I did bookmark it. Thanks to tjones1 I found the cite.

Glad to see I still have a mind like a steel trap.

Too bad it is often slapped shut

letemplay · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 04:45pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In HS, any eligible* player or sub can shoot any of the FTs for a T. So, you could have had 4 different players, all of whom were on the bench to start, shoot the FTs here.

* -- Note that if a player has left the game and the clock hasn't run, s/he's not eligible to reenter.

Bob, are you saying here, for instance, if A6 replaces A1 for the sole purpose of shooting the T(s), that A1 now cannot re-enter until the clock has run next (after all the T's are shot and ball put back into play)? A7 could replace A6, but A1 could not, correct? I knew the rule, but somehow never thought about it applying in this situation where the HC may want a guy to come out just so a very good ft shooter could come in just for the T.

tjones1 · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 04:46pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay

Bob, are you saying here, for instance, if A6 replaces A1 for the sole purpose of shooting the T(s), that A1 now cannot re-enter until the clock has run next (after all the T's are shot and ball put back into play)? A7 could replace A6, but A1 could not, correct? I knew the rule, but somehow never thought about it applying in this situation where the HC may want a guy to come out just so a very good ft shooter could come in just for the T.

That is correct.

letemplay · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 04:50pm

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Originally Posted by tjones1

That is correct.

Same ruling for NCAA?

Freddy · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 04:53pm

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Originally Posted by letemplay

...if A6 replaces A1 for the sole purpose of shooting the T(s), that A1 now cannot re-enter until the clock has run next...

"Must 'Sit a Tick', but Doesn't Have to 'Play a Tick'"

3-3-4 - "A player who has been replaced...shall not re-enter before the next opportunity to substitute after the clock has been started properly following his/her replacement."

(tho' I'm not Bob...maybe await his more adroit response)

letemplay · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 05:05pm

Like I said I knew that rule, just never thought about it in dealing with multiple T's, where different players could be coming in and out.

BillyMac · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 06:56pm

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Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I found the current rule book online in PDF format. Even though I couldn't save it to my computer I did bookmark it.

Current? PDF? Can you copy, and paste? Please post the link.

Welpe · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 06:58pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Current? PDF? Can you copy, and paste? Please post the link.

No, no he can't and please don't ask again.

BillyMac · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 06:59pm

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Originally Posted by Why

No, no he can't and please don't ask again.

Why not (he asked politely)? And feel free to private message me if you wish.

pfan1981 · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 08:28pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac

Why not (he asked politely)? And feel free to private message me if you wish.

Me too

SNIPERBBB · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Feb 03, 2014, 09:47pm

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Originally Posted by BatteryPowered

I know that the head coach can select the person to shoot the free throws for a technical and since there was an ejection for not knowing when to stop complaining there obviously were two technicals given to the assistant.

Its not obvious there were two T's on the assistant unless you actually whacked him twice...one T is all you need for an ejection(flagrant).