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JetMetFan Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:26am
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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 920452)
I understand that in some situations there are vastly different philosophies between the NCAA-M and NCAA-W but I don't see how a double whistle on a transition play in the paint is a problem. Sure a cadence whistle would probably be better, but I just don't understand the mentality to avoid double whistles.
NCAAW frowns on double whistles in many instances. This would be one of them because the play clearly started and ended in the C's primary. If the C doesn't do anything then the L can blow but those are our marching orders.

#olderthanilook Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:30am
From the video angle, it appears the offensive player's head and shoulders get past the torso of the defender.

According to NFHS rules, that helps us determine the play was a block.

bob jenkins Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:30am
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 920508)
NCAAW frowns on double whistles in many instances.
??

I've heard just the opposite recently.

JetMetFan Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:45am
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 920511)
??

I've heard just the opposite recently.
I'm going off what I heard at camps last summer. Maybe things are changing and word is spreading. Slowly :confused:

ronny mulkey Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 920515)
I'm going off what I heard at camps last summer. Maybe things are changing and word is spreading. Slowly :confused:
Jet,

A right hand person to the Women's SEC supervisor runs a high school camp(s) down here and he wore us out this past summer for not putting multiple whistles on these type plays. It wasn't a suggestion, either. We have always taught to give it up to the primary and come late if he/she didn't have a whistle. Not the philosophy anymore......

JetMetFan Thu Jan 30, 2014 04:05pm
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Originally Posted by ronny mulkey (Post 920523)
Jet,

A right hand person to the Women's SEC supervisor runs a high school camp(s) down here and he wore us out this past summer for not putting multiple whistles on these type plays. It wasn't a suggestion, either. We have always taught to give it up to the primary and come late if he/she didn't have a whistle. Not the philosophy anymore......
Good to know. Thanks.

Adam Thu Jan 30, 2014 04:06pm
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Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 920510)
From the video angle, it appears the offensive player's head and shoulders get past the torso of the defender.

According to NFHS rules, that helps us determine the play was a block.
It's not determinative.

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 920409)
Head and shoulders is a rule of thumb, it's not a hard/fast rule to define a block. It works well when both players are moving, but even then isn't definitive.

rockyroad Thu Jan 30, 2014 04:33pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 920511)
??

I've heard just the opposite recently.
As have I.

But...in the OP play, I don't think the L should have a whistle on this play because he was so late getting down the floor. If he had gotten to the endline sooner, been set up and waiting for the play, then a double on this play would be ok, imo.

johnny d Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 920508)
NCAAW frowns on double whistles in many instances. This would be one of them because the play clearly started and ended in the C's primary. If the C doesn't do anything then the L can blow but those are our marching orders.
I wasn't doubting that this is what you have been taught, I just don't understand why the people teaching you that seem to be so adamant about not having double whistles.

johnny d Thu Jan 30, 2014 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by rockyroad (Post 920649)

But...in the OP play, I don't think the L should have a whistle on this play because he was so late getting down the floor. If he had gotten to the endline sooner, been set up and waiting for the play, then a double on this play would be ok, imo.
I concur, the L was not in position to have a good look and shouldn't have had a whistle in this play.


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