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Treeguy Wed Jan 29, 2014 08:03am

Officials demanding coach’s suspension for bumping ref even after video shows otherwi
 
I have not seen this posted yet.


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grunewar Wed Jan 29, 2014 08:30am

Ye old, "you need to let the kids determine the game," argument.

I guess they made ALL their foul shots and layups. :rolleyes:

JRutledge Wed Jan 29, 2014 08:33am

My question is why the official even over there at that time of the game? The game is over, get off the court.

I do not see a deliberate bump, but the coach is saying something to the official. Not sure what, but saying something. So he is not totally clean possibly if the officials has reported the comments. But the official should have never been there in the first place.

Peace

jeschmit Wed Jan 29, 2014 08:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920192)
My question is why the official even over there at that time of the game? The game is over, get off the court.

I do not see a deliberate bump, but the coach is saying something to the official. Not sure what, but saying something. So he is not totally clean possibly if the officials has reported the comments. But the official should have never been there in the first place.

Peace

That was my first thought as well... There is no reason for us to be over there after the game is over and teams are shaking hands.

PG_Ref Wed Jan 29, 2014 08:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920192)
My question is why the official even over there at that time of the game? The game is over, get off the court.

Peace

In some areas, officials are expected to go to the table to verify the final score. Maybe this is one of those areas.

j51969 Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:07am

I am sure the coach said something completely ignorant in conjuctjion with what was reported (nothing none of us haven't heard before). He didn't touch this guy, and is clearly looking for a path around him. The coach held up in order to not bump into him. The official couldn't get out to there fast enough, and wasn't watching where he was going. This Tucci guy is a douche, and clearly setting himself up for a law suit. Tucci has told the high school athletic governing body that the incident has "affected me horribly. I have a very uncomfortable feeling as soon as I step on the floor". Looks like it's time to retire.

JRutledge Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by PG_Ref (Post 920194)
In some areas, officials are expected to go to the table to verify the final score. Maybe this is one of those areas.

And still stupid if required. Get off the damn floor. Nothing good can come out of doing what he did in this video.

Peace

ColeTops25 Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 920192)
I do not see a deliberate bump, but the coach is saying something to the official. Not sure what, but saying something.

Peace

Quote from the story:

"While Bisignani can be seen expressing his displeasure to the official on the tape (Tucci told the WPIAL that Bisignani shouted, "you'll never work another GCC game again; you need to let the kids determine the game”)"

SNIPERBBB Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:39am

So does not the governing body there not have the ability to suspend the coach a few games if they deem it necessary? Why penalize the entire team here if they gave fulfilled all other requirements to enter the playoffs?

Hartsy Wed Jan 29, 2014 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by j51969 (Post 920197)
I am sure the coach said something completely ignorant in conjuctjion with what was reported (nothing none of us haven't heard before). He didn't touch this guy, and is clearly looking for a path around him. The coach held up in order to not bump into him. The official couldn't get out to there fast enough, and wasn't watching where he was going. This Tucci guy is a douche, and clearly setting himself up for a law suit. Tucci has told the high school athletic governing body that the incident has "affected me horribly. I have a very uncomfortable feeling as soon as I step on the floor". Looks like it's time to retire.

My feelings are similar. After looking at the video and reading an article about what happened, I would be more inclined to suspend the ref than the coach or team. He is making a big deal out of nothing.

Eastshire Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:05am

I agree that it doesn't appear that the coach intended to bump him. He did, however, intentionally get within a few inches of the official in order to threaten him and in that process inadvertently bumped the official when the official tried to leave.

So don't suspended him for the bump; suspend him for threatening an official.

(Yes, the official shouldn't have been there. That doesn't give the coach carte blanche.)

eyezen Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 920201)
So does not the governing body there not have the ability to suspend the coach a few games if they deem it necessary? Why penalize the entire team here if they gave fulfilled all other requirements to enter the playoffs?

No they don't...

"We have no jurisdiction over personnel at schools," WPIAL executive director Tim O'Malley told the Post-Gazette, placing Bisignani's team on probation through 2014-15 and recommending he attend a coaching seminar. "That's a district issue. But we do have jurisdiction over schools. Greensburg Central can do what they want. But if they choose not to follow our directive, then they will be kept out of the postseason."

bob jenkins Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 920213)
No they don't...

"We have no jurisdiction over personnel at schools," WPIAL executive director Tim O'Malley told the Post-Gazette, placing Bisignani's team on probation through 2014-15 and recommending he attend a coaching seminar. "That's a district issue. But we do have jurisdiction over schools. Greensburg Central can do what they want. But if they choose not to follow our directive, then they will be kept out of the postseason."

I found that whole statement a little confusing -- not knowing how PA structures it's "athletics association" or exactly what the WPIAL is.

BryanV21 Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:39am

Coaches and players are going to say things "in the heat of the moment". We've all seen/heard it before. We're taught to ignore statements, which is what this coach made. I don't know about PA rules, but something tells me this coach wouldn't be able to blackball the official from working any games in that league. So who cares about what he said?

Looks like a case of an official that's too thin-skinned. The coach clearly did not intend to bump him, and the official should have just ignored the coach's statement and left the court.

j51969 Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:49am

1. Get rid of the requirement to physically go to scorers table to verify final score. A quick reminder at some point during the 4th QTR to the table (R will make eye contact we are good to go at the final buzzer).

Result:

1. Coaches can loss his Sh!t in the locker room where it belongs.

2. Mr. Tucci can run off the court to his locker room, and is not suffering from post tramactic stress.


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