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Old Fri Jan 17, 2014, 11:57pm
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Never saw this before

Tonight, GV, I was a spectator. V head coach got her second T early in the second half, down by 10 or so. She walked across the court and left without further incident. Her team clawed back, and finally went ahead by one with 12-15 seconds left on a steal and a layup. Big girl for H missed a wide open potential game winner from 2 feet at the buzzer. V erupted into a wild celebration in the center of the court. Officials were almost out the door........and then they stopped. There was the HC, in the middle of the celebration. They came back. One approached the group, and they exchanged words. I was told afterward it went something like this:

"Coach, you can't be in here."

"I'm just celebrating with my team."

Whatever it was, it wasn't the answer he was looking for. He gave a series of quick blasts on the whistle stepped over in front of the table, and made the T sign. She was escorted out again. Home made one of two, the game went to overtime, and the visitors lost.

If you see this coach come back in, what do you do?

1. Immediate T
2. Go to her and give her the opportunity to leave again
3. Keep walking
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:15am
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Tonight, GV, I was a spectator. V head coach got her second T early in the second half, down by 10 or so. She walked across the court and left without further incident. Her team clawed back, and finally went ahead by one with 12-15 seconds left on a steal and a layup. Big girl for H missed a wide open potential game winner from 2 feet at the buzzer. V erupted into a wild celebration in the center of the court. Officials were almost out the door........and then they stopped. There was the HC, in the middle of the celebration. They came back. One approached the group, and they exchanged words. I was told afterward it went something like this:

"Coach, you can't be in here."

"I'm just celebrating with my team."

Whatever it was, it wasn't the answer he was looking for. He gave a series of quick blasts on the whistle stepped over in front of the table, and made the T sign. She was escorted out again. Home made one of two, the game went to overtime, and the visitors lost.

If you see this coach come back in, what do you do?

1. Immediate T
2. Go to her and give her the opportunity to leave again
3. Keep walking
No brainer...

3. Keep walking
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:38am
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You can't give a warning here. It's either a T or nothing.

"They" say to get out quickly. Don't go looking for fly crap in pepper.
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:39am
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You can't give a warning here. It's either a T or nothing.

"They" say to get out quickly. Don't go looking for fly crap in pepper.
Or maybe it's don't go looking for pepper in fly crap. Adelmo???
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 12:48am
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I would not know who was celebrating.
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:01am
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Not sure it is a "t"

While the officials authority had not ended, the game is over. The coach has to leave the gym until the game is over. I don't think this is a T by rule.
As to the OP, I would never "see" the coach in this situation.
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:26am
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In this case, "I wouldn't have seen it" is not one of the options. I did not see her actually come back in the door, but let's just say it was immediately after the buzzer. Until tonight, I was in the "this will never happen" camp, but seeing this unfold made me realize that there is a time when we might be called upon to draw a line. In the game tonight, I tend to think I would have kept walking, but where is the line? If I look over my shoulder as I exit and see the coach peeking in on the opposite side to see if the coast is clear, no call. If the coach sprints in, deliberately blocks our exit and gives us the finger, yeah, I would make a call.
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:42am
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Once the contest is over, what rule is the coach violating?
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 01:57am
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Once the contest is over, what rule is the coach violating?
After ejection, prohibited from further contact with the team for the remainder of the game. The game is not over until the jurisdiction of the officials has ended, is it?
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:48am
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*Shaking my head*

Keep on walking...couldn't even imagine giving a T here
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:56am
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I would keep walking, no impact on the game (finished already) and why create a mess?
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 04:08am
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Walking on out.
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 06:37am
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After ejection, prohibited from further contact with the team for the remainder of the game. The game is not over until the jurisdiction of the officials has ended, is it?
You are correct. Strictly speaking the coach needs to wait a few more seconds until the officials depart. After that she is free to join the celebration, unless there is a state regulation stating otherwise.

That said, is there a proscribed penalty to returning to the gym during the jurisdiction of the officials? Anyone know of somewhere in the books where it specifically says this is a technical foul? Could it just be a removal by game admin and a report to the governing authority?
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 07:27am
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I don't think it's anything more than part of the ejection report to the state assoc. "Coach failed to leave the premises after the ejection and participated in on-court celebrations immediately following the game before officials left the visual confines".
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Old Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:45am
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That said, is there a proscribed penalty to returning to the gym during the jurisdiction of the officials? Anyone know of somewhere in the books where it specifically says this is a technical foul? Could it just be a removal by game admin and a report to the governing authority?
To be fair, the official(s) did try to get the coach to leave again before issuing the next T. It wasn't just a "hey -- look, it's the coach!" Tweet!

And I have given one T as I was leaving. Cost the coach the next game.
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