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MD Longhorn Tue Jan 21, 2014 03:51pm

Fair enough. I'm not saying that glancing at the clock is not possible. I'm saying that I can't imagine the need or desire to do so in lieu of just about anything else I might primarily or secondarily be responsible for.

JetMetFan Tue Jan 21, 2014 07:23pm

video
 
Here's a ten-second call from the C, with yours truly starring as the man with the whistle. I even got fancy and superimposed a clock on the screen.


<iframe width="640" height="480" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/tuSOGs6Eo7M?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

deecee Tue Jan 21, 2014 08:43pm

IMO, that was to close for "help" in HS, was this college? And does college use the clock, not the count?

JetMetFan Tue Jan 21, 2014 08:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 919522)
IMO, that was to close for "help" in HS, was this college? And does college use the clock, not the count?

Yes, NCAAW D3.

And yes, the clock is used which is why I ended up making the call while the T was watching the ball handler and defender.

bob jenkins Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 919523)
Yes, NCAAW D3.

And yes, the clock is used which is why I ended up making the call while the T was watching the ball handler and defender.


And C (and as a last resort L) can specifically get this in NCAAW.

JetMetFan Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 919526)
And C (and as a last resort L) can specifically get this in NCAAW.

What made it even more fun was the shot-clocks were having issues. There were actually four in use. Two on top of the backboards and two on the wall to the left at each end. The ones on the backboards kept sticking (e.g., they'd show "25" then "22" but wouldn't appear to be running in between). One of the backups stuck as well, despite the fact it was hard-wired. My R gave us simple advice: If you see two different times on the shot-clocks at one end, go with the one that's lower.

bainsey Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 919523)
Yes, NCAAW D3.

I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

APG Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 919529)
I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

NCAA-W ADDED the 10 second violation this year.

deecee Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 919529)
I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

So you're the one viewer they get on their nielsen ratings?

johnny d Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:28pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 919527)
What made it even more fun was the shot-clocks were having issues. There were actually four in use. Two on top of the backboards and two on the wall to the left at each end. The ones on the backboards kept sticking (e.g., they'd show "25" then "22" but wouldn't appear to be running in between). One of the backups stuck as well, despite the fact it was hard-wired. My R gave us simple advice: If you see two different times on the shot-clocks at one end, go with the one that's lower.

I would have asked them to turn one set off, either the on the backboards or the one on the wall. It sucks that the sticking problem was occurring, but I think it got compounded by having two clocks on each end that could potentially have different times. I would rather have one set and deal with those problems than try to reconcile two sets on each end.

johnny d Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 919529)
I only watch D-I women's, so I was under the assumption the ten-second violation was completely gone from NCAA Women's. Is that just a D-I thing, or does D-II have that violation?

Apparently you are just a casual observer. Thanks for being a fan.

Raymond Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 919515)
Here's a ten-second call from the C, with yours truly starring as the man with the whistle. I even got fancy and superimposed a clock on the screen....

You trying to make APG jealous? LOL

JetMetFan Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 919575)
You trying to make APG jealous? LOL

I'm a dangerous man when I have time on my hands :)

AremRed Wed Jan 22, 2014 03:24pm

JetMet, looks to me like you blew at 20. Isn't the violation supposed to occur at 19, due to 30 not being a whole second?

CountTheBasket Wed Jan 22, 2014 03:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 919631)
JetMet, looks to me like you blew at 20. Isn't the violation supposed to occur at 19, due to 30 not being a whole second?

No, think about it like this:

20.0-20.9999 (1 sec).....21.0-21.99999....all the way to 29.0-29.99999 (10 sec)


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