What Would YOU Do...(video)

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's part of the NCAAW definition -- if not the "standard English" definition:

Art. 2. In a fast-break situation, any defensive player(s) initially shall be a
secondary defender.

Funny....I was told that by several NCAA-M officials. Is the NCAA men's direction the same?

[CountTheBasket]

Close hard and get it a little late if you need to as the T in my opinion if the C&L pass, that is too big of a "crash" to not have a whistle. It should've been called fairly easily but sometimes the brain says foul and forgets to tell the mouth to blow the whistle. I think you're better off responding to why that was blown from that area, than having to respond to why was nothing called on such a big collision.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Funny....I was told that by several NCAA-M officials.

Might also be part of that rules code. :shrug:

[srp6977]

Holy cow. C was obviously asleep at the wheel. Somebody get it, but C has a perfect look, middle of the lane.

[johnny d]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Funny....I was told that by several NCAA-M officials. Is the NCAA men's direction the same?

yes

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Funny....I was told that by several NCAA-M officials. Is the NCAA men's direction the same?

Not sure about the same direction. But the "arc" is specifically used to prevent a secondary defender from being under the basket. I have no idea if Women's side has the same rule, but in the men that is the purpose of that arc. And in transition everyone is pretty much seen as a secondary defender.

Peace

[Raymond]

To be honest, I don't know what I would do if I were the Trail on that play. I've only come an extremely long distance once to get a crash; that was a 2-man HS BV game and my partner was one of my best friends and a mentor, so I knew right or wrong, our post-game convo on the play would be amicable and a learning experience.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

When clinicians talk about being a strong center, this is a pretty good example -- although it shouldn't take a terribly strong center to get this one.

+1

Makes me wonder if this C is new to the level of this game.

[HokiePaul]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

To be honest, I don't know what I would do if I were the Trail on that play.

Same here.

If I somehow saw the defender clearly in the play and was confident in the amount of contact (and certain that there was no "embellishing" by the defender), I could see myself making a call (player control). The T here does seem to be in a position where he could close down and make the call without it looking like the call came from too far out of the play.

But from the T position, I'm not sure I'd be focusing on the off-the ball defender to the point where I feel 100% certain in the amount of contact. In that case, I'm not going to guess at a block/charge just because I see a defender go to the floor. I'm likely to trust that my partners passed for a reason.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by HokiePaul

Same here.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

To be honest, I don't know what I would do if I were the Trail on that play.

You folks from VA are so polite

I was thinking virtually the same as both of you, especially Hokie. It’s obvious it’s a crash and your first instinct is to wait for a whistle. The other two don’t do anything and there’s that little bit of doubt that makes you think, “Well, maybe there’s something I’m not seeing here.” By the time you confidently say to yourself “Nah, B1 got run over,” it may be too late.

Of course, how late IS too late on this one?

[Camron Rust]

As that T from their position, probably nothing. That T had a poor view of the play with many players between them and the point of contact. Once the drive shifted to the other side of the lane, that became the C's drive. Then the defender was a secondary in the L's area.

L's call 1st.
C's call next.
T better have a better position than they had to come in for that one.

If the T was 10-15 feet more in the FC, I could see the T getting it.

[Pantherdreams]

Just based on the video as that trail I've got nothing. Assuming all other things are equal and I trust the crew I'm with.

There's no way from that deep with two others in position with eyes. They have both (imo) at that moment passed on something that looks like a crash from where I am.

Next chance we have to talk I might ask them what went on, but I'm not coming in on that from there cause without an angle on the players, arc, etc. I'm assuming there is something I've missed that is the reason they've no called it.

[Rich]

We talk about calls that save the crew in the pregame.

This is a call that saves the crew.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

We talk about calls that save the crew in the pregame.

This is a call that saves the crew.

It may be in general, but the trail, from where they were, had about the same chance to get it wrong as get it right. At best, they'd be guessing. If they were in a better position, sure, but not the one in that video.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I disagree that the T could not see the secondary defender. Actually they could see the play coming as they are on ball much of this play.

I agree with Jeff and there’s another factor here: what’s the next competitive matchup for the T once A1 leaves his primary? At the moment of contact all ten players on the floor are at or below the 28-foot hash mark. There’s no competitive matchup in front of the T so his job is to look for another. The next competitive matchup is the (impending) crash site.