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Old Mon Jan 06, 2014, 06:19pm
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Got this too and I can't figure out what exactly they are talking about. Can't visualize the play they are talking about.
I live in Virginia also, but fortunately I have not received such a ridiculous email. What are the origins?
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Old Mon Jan 06, 2014, 06:29pm
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Ask'em what's illegal about the act.
i already sent my email to my interpreter with the case play as well as the wording about how a dribble is defined.

Will let you know when I hear back.
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Old Mon Jan 06, 2014, 07:12pm
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I live in Virginia also, but fortunately I have not received such a ridiculous email. What are the origins?
Came from IAABO directly. Check your SPAM.
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Old Mon Jan 06, 2014, 08:59pm
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I live in Virginia also, but fortunately I have not received such a ridiculous email. What are the origins?
I'm in Northern VA. As others stated, it was a mass email tied to IAABO. My association must have signed everyone else up, or I got on their mailing list somehow--still fairly new so not sure exactly.
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Old Mon Jan 06, 2014, 10:21pm
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Mark, Jr., and I received the same email this afternoon. The email came from IAABO Headquarters and was sent to all IAABO members. I cannot believe it was included because every basketball officials knows that this is not traveling.

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Old Mon Jan 06, 2014, 11:46pm
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My boards are members of IAABO, but I personally am not. Keeps me from being assigned to games in Connecticut.
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Old Tue Jan 07, 2014, 07:08am
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Keeps me from being assigned to games in Connecticut.
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Old Tue Jan 07, 2014, 09:13am
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Clarification from IAABO:

The item was not intended to address standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to another, which is legal. I am guilty of not being as clear as I had intended to be. I hope this effort clears your concern up. Very seldom do I observe a player standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to the other. The concern with officials and officiating is that they watch a player begin and end 4, 5, 6, 7, dribbles and do not rule a violation.....I see that on a very regular basis. The situation in the memo was intending to address the player who begins a dribble by throwing/bouncing the ball toward the opposite hand and"catches"/palms the ball, which ends the dribble.
Situation:
End of quarter & end of game...little time remaining. Team wants to consume some time prior to progressing. Usually the "point Guard" has the ball he/she:
Bends his/her knees, bends at the shoulders, instead of standing and holding the ball. Player pushes/bounces the ball from one hand to the other hand,
palms the ball, ball comes to rest in/on a hand/ (ends the dribble) should be ruled a palming violation. Player immediately he/she pushes/bounces the back to the original hand. Palms the ball. Ball comes to rest in/on the hand (ends this second dribble). At times this action continues several times. Officials simply observe and rule this illegal repeated act as being legal.
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Smells like...CYA.
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Clarification from IAABO:

The item was not intended to address standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to another, which is legal. I am guilty of not being as clear as I had intended to be. I hope this effort clears your concern up. Very seldom do I observe a player standing and tossing/throwing/passing the ball from one hand to the other. The concern with officials and officiating is that they watch a player begin and end 4, 5, 6, 7, dribbles and do not rule a violation.....I see that on a very regular basis. The situation in the memo was intending to address the player who begins a dribble by throwing/bouncing the ball toward the opposite hand and"catches"/palms the ball, which ends the dribble.
Situation:
End of quarter & end of game...little time remaining. Team wants to consume some time prior to progressing. Usually the "point Guard" has the ball he/she:
Bends his/her knees, bends at the shoulders, instead of standing and holding the ball. Player pushes/bounces the ball from one hand to the other hand,
palms the ball, ball comes to rest in/on a hand/ (ends the dribble) should be ruled a palming violation. Player immediately he/she pushes/bounces the back to the original hand. Palms the ball. Ball comes to rest in/on the hand (ends this second dribble). At times this action continues several times. Officials simply observe and rule this illegal repeated act as being legal.
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Old Tue Jan 07, 2014, 11:56am
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Clarification from IAABO:
The situation in the memo was intending to address the player who begins a dribble by throwing/bouncing the ball toward the opposite hand and"catches"/palms the ball, which ends the dribble.
Wish they had a video example of what is seen "on a regular basis" that officials are missing. I tried to find an example on video somewhere and all I could find was this exagerated example of what I think they are talking about(first 10 seconds).
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Old Tue Jan 07, 2014, 12:25pm
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Smells like...CYA.
And a poor one to boot....

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Old Tue Jan 07, 2014, 12:45pm
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The clarification is just as wrong as the original release.

EDIT...unless he was trying to say this was just a simple dribble with a lot of carries but pushing it to the other hand doesn't sound like a dribble.

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Interesting clarification...I basically read it as

"Oops. After having several hundred of you tell me I am wrong, what I really meant was this situation which is entirely different from what I sent out before."

And, even in the clarification...I honestly don't think I have ever seen any player doing this so exaggeratedly that it needed to be called.
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Old Tue Jan 07, 2014, 02:36pm
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The clarification is just as wrong as the original release.

EDIT...unless he was trying to say this was just a simple dribble with a lot of carries but pushing it to the other hand doesn't sound like a dribble.
The clarification references "bouncing" so I think he's trying to say it's a situation of repeated dribbles with the dribbler grabbing the ball with one hand between a few dribbles.

Frankly, I've never seen this, and it's a stretch for me to think it is what he meant in the initial email.

I haven't seen his clarification, however: only the initial email.
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