Wisconsin vs Iowa

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

As far as passing on obvious fouls, the amount of contact allowed in the paint, especially between post players, is not the same as that allowed on the perimeter.

Something many people forget. Rules for defending someone with their back to the basket in the lane area are different than an offensive player facing the basket.

[Raymond]

Since we are discussing this game, I heartell that the Iowa HC got tossed, and supposedly bumped an official in the action leading up or after the ejection.

Reading the play-by-play, it appears to happen around the 11:51 mark of the 2nd half.

[pfan1981]

Iowa Coach Loses Cool - ESPN Video - ESPN



He was out of control. Those were no brainer techs and Wisconsin made all 4 technical free throws. In NCAA they must shoot the technicals first, in high school, we would have shot the shooting foul free throws then the technical throws.

Pfan

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

Iowa Coach Loses Cool - ESPN Video - ESPN

He was out of control. Those were no brainer techs and Wisconsin made all 4 technical free throws. In NCAA they must shoot the technicals first, in high school, we would have shot the shooting foul free throws then the technical throws.

Pfan

Shoot the Ts, then resume at POI (with some exceptions).

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Something many people forget. Rules for defending someone with their back to the basket in the lane area are different than an offensive player facing the basket.

Please, elaborate - written references, philosophical references, application of rules. (I'm doing even more mentoring of newer officials this season, and will appreciate insight on expressing that concept.)

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Please, elaborate - written references, philosophical references, application of rules. (I'm doing even more mentoring of newer officials this season, and will appreciate insight on expressing that concept.)

Rob, I'll send you a PM later today (actually tonight). I just got home from work and I have to grab a nap before my game.

If someone is able to help, please do.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

Rob, I'll send you a PM later today (actually tonight). I just got home from work and I have to grab a nap before my game.

If someone is able to help, please do.

Thank you. I'll look for it.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Please, elaborate - written references, philosophical references, application of rules. (I'm doing even more mentoring of newer officials this season, and will appreciate insight on expressing that concept.)

It's an NCAA concept and might not apply to NFHS (depending on your state).

You can get some of this from the NCAA (W, at least) arbiter site, if you belong.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's an NCAA concept and might not apply to NFHS (depending on your state).

You can get some of this from the NCAA (W, at least) arbiter site, if you belong.

Thanks, Bob. The concept is understandable, and I probably won't present it, in depth, to most of the newer officials I'm mentoring. As with so many things, the presentation of the concept and the application are of utmost interest.

[KCRC]

Iowa fan here. I was embarrassed by our coach last night. No excuse for his actions. Hopefully he'll learn from this and conduct himself with much better composure in the future.

Regarding post defense being discussed in this thread, can anyone post video of the foul immediately prior to the media timeout before the coach's meltdown. Just under 12 minutes in the second half I believe. Would anyone consider a player control foul for displacing the defender? If not, would the defender be within the rules to be more aggressive in "holding his ground"? Is holding his ground the back to the basket post defense that JetMetFan is referring to?

Thanks in advance.

Originally Posted by KCRC

Regarding post defense being discussed in this thread, can anyone post video of the foul immediately prior to the media timeout before the coach's meltdown. Just under 12 minutes in the second half I believe. Would anyone consider a player control foul for displacing the defender? If not, would the defender be within the rules to be more aggressive in "holding his ground"? Is holding his ground the back to the basket post defense that JetMetFan is referring to?

Isn't that the play at the beginning of the video? If yes, that is not a displacement foul.

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Isn't that the play at the beginning of the video? If yes, that is not a displacement foul.

So 4 or 5 feet of backward movement on 2 separate dribbles is not displacement? If not, what qualifies as displacement?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Thanks, Bob. The concept is understandable, and I probably won't present it, in depth, to most of the newer officials I'm mentoring. As with so many things, the presentation of the concept and the application are of utmost interest.

Well, the rules are not so much different as is the application of the rules.

It takes a lot more contact to have an effect (advantage/disadvantage, RSBQ, RIDD, etc.) on a short jumper than it does on a long range shot or on a post move vs. perimeter movement.

[blindzebra]

The reason he went off was the Iowa possession prior to the foul the Iowa shooter in the paint had the defender go through him to block a shot and appeared to hit him in the head.

There were about 3 or 4 other plays early in the second half that also were extremely inconsistently called.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Well, the rules are not so much different as is the application of the rules.

It takes a lot more contact to have an effect (advantage/disadvantage, RSBQ, RIDD, etc.) on a short jumper than it does on a long range shot or on a post move vs. perimeter movement.

Thanks, Camron. This is an area with which many newer officials seem to struggle. And the simple "advantage/disadvantage" statement seems inadequate, when I'm talking to them.