Using my voice

[bob jenkins]

I have heard that same advice from some big-dogs in NCAAW.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I have heard that same advice from some big-dogs in NCAAW.

I don't doubt it. I just don't buy into the philosophy that there's something wrong with women being treated with respect that's rampart particularly in the college arena.

[Rich]

I'm working almost all boys games this season.

So I'm filling in for a guy with a bum knee just before Christmas. Go towards a huddle on the first horn..."First horn gentlemen..."

Well, I could've been talking to the coaches!

[jeschmit]

To each their own. I'll just say that you're safer calling them players. I know for a fact that they are all players...

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

To each their own. I'll just say that you're safer calling them players. I know for a fact that they are all players...

Maybe, but I think calling them "players" is both condescending and offensive; so you may not be safer either.

[referee99]

RocRef,
Find officials who you admire. Attend their games. Listen to how they use their voice. Imitate them.

PS, use your voice on all occasions that the Mechanics Manual tells you to.

[shavano]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Maybe, but I think calling them "players" is both condescending and offensive; so you may not be safer either.

Though I'm originally from CA, and am a 40 year transplant to the Centennial State, I've found that "y'all" works pretty well for both genders...

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

Maybe, but I think calling them "players" is both condescending and offensive; so you may not be safer either.

I have a hard time wrapping my head around them being called players as condescending or offensive... Isn't that exactly what they are?

Rule 3
Section 1. Player

A player is one of five or fewer members of a team’s personnel who is legally on the playing court to participate. An individual shall retain player status during a timeout.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jeschmit

I have a hard time wrapping my head around them being called players as condescending or offensive... Isn't that exactly what they are?

They're also ladies, but that's apparently offensive.

[jeschmit]

Originally Posted by Adam

They're also ladies, but that's apparently offensive.

la·dy (ld)
n. pl. la·dies
1. A well-mannered and considerate woman with high standards of proper behavior.
2.
a. A woman regarded as proper and virtuous.
b. A well-behaved young girl.
3. A woman who is the head of a household.
4. A woman, especially when spoken of or to in a polite way.

If you think every female on the basketball court is a lady, you don't referee enough women's games!

This is all in fun here, but I'm sticking to my guns that you're safer calling them players. I never said that calling them ladies was offensive either...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

They're also ladies, but that's apparently offensive.

I swear, this sounds like it's born from the idea that calling them ladies is somehow a slight to them as basketball players. I call the boys "gentlemen" and nobody would ever bat an eye at that. OK, maybe someone did (above).

In our world, it's no different than how the term "3-man" ended up being 3-person or, laughingly, "3-whistle" even when we clearly included both male and female officials in the discussion.

Those easily offended will find a way to succeed no matter what you do, I suppose.

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I have heard that same advice from some big-dogs in NCAAW.

Ditto. I've seen a partner get his a$$ chewed by a female coach during a juco game. She told him in no uncertain terms that men using the term "ladies" is not appropriate to the college game.

On the other hand, I've heard female officials use the term "ladies" and no one seemed to care.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Ditto. I've seen a partner get his a$$ chewed by a female coach during a juco game. She told him in no uncertain terms that men using the term "ladies" is not appropriate to the college game.

On the other hand, I've heard female officials use the term "ladies" and no one seemed to care.

When I'm doing girls games, I say "ladies". When I'm doing boys and men, I use the word "fellas".

I would say, if your career path is that of NCAA-Women's, then follow the expectations of that level. But at the HS level, which is only place I will officiate females, then I don't see a problem using the term, "ladies".

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Ditto. I've seen a partner get his a$$ chewed by a female coach during a juco game. She told him in no uncertain terms that men using the term "ladies" is not appropriate to the college game.

On the other hand, I've heard female officials use the term "ladies" and no one seemed to care.

I think it depends on the coach more than the official.

[RocRef]

Thanks guys for all the advice. I have a JV game in a couple hours. I will work on this.