Oob, why?

[Terrapins Fan]

I had a play last night where the defend moves forward and to the end line and forces the offensive player OOB, there was little to no contact. The offensive player goes OOB to avoid the contact.

I called a block, basically because the defender forced the player OOB, but the contact was minimal. Thoughts?

keep in mind, offensive player coming forward, defender moves into offensive players space, moving forward and to the end line.If defender had held her place, I had nothing.

Once legal guarding position is established- The guard may move laterally or obliquely to maintain position, provided it
is not toward the opponent when contact occurs.

[Toren]

"Little to no contact"

That sounds marginal...OOB.

[Adam]

If the defender moved into the dribbler at contact, it seems like a good call. This is one of those tough judgment calls; did the dribbler go out on his own, or did he get pushed. It doesn't often take much contact to push a dribbler OOB.

[BryanV21]

Did contact by the defender cause the offensive player to go OOB?

If the offensive player went OOB bounds on his own accord, then he/she has violated. The defense has as much right to that spot on the court as the offense. Just because that's where the offense was headed, that doesn't mean that spot belongs to the offense. If that were the case, then a lot of charging calls would be wrong.

[bob jenkins]

9-6-7 "A dribbler shall (not) ... attempt to dribble between ... an opponent and a boundary unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/her to go through without contact."

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

9-6-7 "A dribbler shall (not) ... attempt to dribble between ... an opponent and a boundary unless the space is such as to provide a reasonable chance for him/her to go through without contact."

I think Bob meant 10-6-7. Also, see 4-7
Art 2
c. There must be reasonable space between two defensive players or a defensive player and a boundary line to allow the dribbler to continue in his/her path. If there is less than 3 feet of space, the dribbler has the greater responsibility for the contact.

[BillyMac]

I seem to remember playing playground basketball as a teenager and having "forced out" calls made. The subsequent throwin went to the team who was "forced out". There was no foul called. This was before I ever played a basketball game with a real referee. Anybody else remember running across any such a "playground" rule, or myth?

[Terrapins Fan]

I like the call, but it was marginal.

Good post Bob.

It was a close game at the time ( 6 points early 3rd Q ). we were in front of Homes bench and they were trailing, and had the ball.

They lost by 20. While that has little to do with, how much contact there was, it did not make a difference in the game. The fouler ended the game with 3 fouls and was the leading scorer.

It was a BANG/BANG play. Also, only my 2nd Varsity contest of the young year.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I seem to remember playing playground basketball as a teenager and having "forced out" calls made. The subsequent throwin went to the team who was "forced out". There was no foul called. This was before I ever played a basketball game with a real referee. Anybody else remember running across any such a "playground" rule, or myth?

I am pretty sure you were influenced by an NBE ruling related to 'force out' similar to what you describe. Way back in antideluvian times it may also have filtered down to the HS level. MTD, where are you?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by justacoach

I am pretty sure you were influenced by an NBE ruling related to 'force out' similar to what you describe. Way back in antideluvian times it may also have filtered down to the HS level.

NBA Rules History

1974-75 The “force out” rule is clarified as incidental contact near a boundary line, which causes a player to commit a violation or go out of bounds, and neither team is responsible for the action. The offensive team retains possession.

1976-77 The “force out” rule is eliminated.

Thanks justacoach. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm remembering something, or if I'm remembering dreaming about something. Now, where are my car keys?

[Coach Bill]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

... there was little to no contact. The offensive player goes OOB to avoid the contact.

By saying little to no contact, it sounds you're not even sure if there was any contact. If there's no contact, then it's definitely OOB.

[Raymond]

judgment,.why we get paid the big bucks.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NBA Rules History

1974-75 The “force out” rule is clarified as incidental contact near a boundary line, which causes a player to commit a violation or go out of bounds, and neither team is responsible for the action. The offensive team retains possession.

1976-77 The “force out” rule is eliminated.

Thanks justacoach. Sometimes I'm not sure if I'm remembering something, or if I'm remembering dreaming about something. Now, where are my car keys?

BillyMac:

I love it. Reaching back to the Ancient Days with a rules reference.

MTD, Sr.