Some Nights

[j51969]

[QUOTE=BryanV21;915112]This happened a few times before the coach for Team B said anything...

1. A1 attempts a three-pointer.

2. B1 turns and proceeds to box out A1/shooter, but while doing so backs up into A1 (after A1 had already returned to the floor)... knocking A1 down.

3. B1 is called for a pushing foul (not shooting, as A1 is no longer an "airborne shooter" after returning to the floor).
After a couple times calling this, the coach for Team B politely asks me why it was a foul. She says that her team was simply boxing out the shooter. I explain that the former shooter has the right to the spot where she lands, and Team B's defender is not allowed to displace the former shooter from that spot.

I made this exact call last night in a FR Tournanment game. Oddly enough girls seem to be the one who do this the most. However, this was a boys game .

A1 shoots a three on side right next to coach (on defense) in first half. Player lands, defender turns around to box out and butts him right in the stomach. Player didn't fall but was clearly displaced. Partner said basket was good, I report. Coach says I can't call that foul because he was only boxing out, and the offensive player had returned to the floor .

[Pantherdreams]

[QUOTE=j51969;915113]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

This happened a few times before the coach for Team B said anything...

1. A1 attempts a three-pointer.

2. B1 turns and proceeds to box out A1/shooter, but while doing so backs up into A1 (after A1 had already returned to the floor)... knocking A1 down.

3. B1 is called for a pushing foul (not shooting, as A1 is no longer an "airborne shooter" after returning to the floor).
After a couple times calling this, the coach for Team B politely asks me why it was a foul. She says that her team was simply boxing out the shooter. I explain that the former shooter has the right to the spot where she lands, and Team B's defender is not allowed to displace the former shooter from that spot.

I made this exact call last night in a FR Tournanment game. Oddly enough girls seem to be the one who do this the most. However, this was a boys game .

A1 shoots a three on side right next to coach (on defense) in first half. Player lands, defender turns around to box out and butts him right in the stomach. Player didn't fall but was clearly displaced. Partner said basket was good, I report. Coach says I can't call that foul because he was only boxing out, and the offensive player had returned to the floor .

In all honesty I struggle with this one. Not because when it happens its not a foul, but because the defense is basically doing the same thing all over the floor. THe only difference tends to be that the shooter is making no attempt to rebound so they are not bracing or preparing for contact so they end up discplaced and knocked down.

I still call the foul but I get the uhoh feeling everytime I do because i know as a crew we are passing on the exact same action/ even more intense contact on boxouts inside where kids are wanting to battle.

Just on observation not an attempt to hi-jack the thread.

[j51969]

When players are boxing out, or jockeying for position on a rebound (to me) is completely different contact. Protecting the shooter who is defenseless just before, during, and after a shoot is a must.

[BryanV21]

[QUOTE=Pantherdreams;915115]

Originally Posted by j51969

In all honesty I struggle with this one. Not because when it happens its not a foul, but because the defense is basically doing the same thing all over the floor. THe only difference tends to be that the shooter is making no attempt to rebound so they are not bracing or preparing for contact so they end up discplaced and knocked down.

I still call the foul but I get the uhoh feeling everytime I do because i know as a crew we are passing on the exact same action/ even more intense contact on boxouts inside where kids are wanting to battle.

Just on observation not an attempt to hi-jack the thread.

That's true.

I guess it's determining displacement that's the issue. In the situation I provide, it's obvious displacement as the player is knocked to the floor. But when nobody is clearly knocked out of position, it's tough to call.

And I agree with what j51969 said... we should give extra care to defenseless players. Kind of like in football, where calls regarding a defenseless player are much more evident.