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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:55pm
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1) This is a charge.
I can buy a no-call...but there's no way the contact in that play warrants a charge call.
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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 01:25pm
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I can buy a no-call...but there's no way the contact in that play warrants a charge call.

I can see the L having an out of bounds off of the the dribbler in this play. Looking over the T's shoulder it appears to be a charge, but I think that looking from the L's position it would be a six of one and a half a dozen of the other with regard to a charge or out of bounds off of the dribbler.

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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 01:16pm
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Wow, that is just bad.

As rare as it is, I agree with Rut's post on this one.

This is either a block (not likely) or just an OOB call. (More likely if it's me)

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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 02:36pm
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No Call...

I have a no call on that play. From the T or C position whichever he is in...I don't believe he can see when you gathered the ball. He might have a better angle than what we get to see here, but I don't have a Charge/Block call either, just and OOB and give ball to white.

I also don't see how some have a travel when A1 gets the ball unless there is a reverse angle we don't see to see when she pushed the ball to start her dribble.

Thirdly, I would ask the guy did he acid wash his hair before the game to make a move like that. At half, between games, or maybe a timeout, I would politley tell him to never do that again!!!!!!
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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 02:42pm
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I can't tell if she puts the ball on the floor in the beginning of her steps and I don't think the Trail can either so I am doubting that is what he has.

From this angle it looks to me like she has not traveled at the end of the play either as she is bumped by the defender before her pivot foot returns to the floor.

So, what I do see is a clear block. The defender moved into her pathway causing the contact.
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Old Wed Dec 18, 2013, 03:03pm
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I can't tell if she puts the ball on the floor in the beginning of her steps and I don't think the Trail can either so I am doubting that is what he has.

From this angle it looks to me like she has not traveled at the end of the play either as she is bumped by the defender before her pivot foot returns to the floor.

So, what I do see is a clear block. The defender moved into her pathway causing the contact.
Not 100% sure, but the pieces I can see sure suggest it.

If the T was in the proper position (up higher and farther on the court) to officiate her in his primary, he'd get that travel.
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The lead has an open look and hits the whistle upon the contact by #21 White (which appears marginal to me). I can live with a block call or, better yet, an OOB call. I just don't see the travel call (either the alleged first one or second one). I have a REAL problem with how the trail handles the entire situation.
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Old Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:47pm
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Ugly basketball, ugly officiating.

I have a no-call and ball oob to white. Don't see a block or charge at all here.
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I like the travel call….Always better to call a violation in a close call than to call a foul ... IMO.
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I like the travel call….Always better to call a violation in a close call than to call a foul ... IMO.
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The girl traveled twice. Once at the beginning and once before the contact.

The travel immediately before the contact is close, but I do believe it was there. I also think that the T is horribly out of position in Fed, IAABO, and especially FIBA considerations, for this travel call.

I also believe that there could have been a travel call when 12 black obtained possession. It's close as well. I wouldn't mind if it was called in real time.


21 white, the defender is guarding 33 black when 33 has the ball. She switches to the ball carrier, 12 black, after 33 flashes to the middle of the FTL. During this switch, she establishes LGP immediately. 21 white doesn't move forwards and does take contact in the torso. I don't have a block, but a PC may be a tough call to sell. Call the out of bounds violation - white ball on the endline. That is, if there is no travel violation called.

And the T needs to update his look, to look the part. And change his approach, beginning with actually raising his arm when he has something. Even if it's late.
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