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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:01pm
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That is what it pretty much suggests. I guess I was thinking if the muff the ball and did not get completely away from the shooter. I have seen that happen and no one moved.

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If it's within the shooter's reach when B1 steps in to get the ball, I'm going with the violation on B1. Kill the play, start over with a delayed violation.
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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:03pm
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If it's within the shooter's reach when B1 steps in to get the ball, I'm going with the violation on B1. Kill the play, start over with a delayed violation.
That was kind of my thinking. But the casebook does not make that clear or suggest we can consider that fact.

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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:16pm
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That was kind of my thinking. But the casebook does not make that clear or suggest we can consider that fact.

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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:21pm
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I don't a case book for everything.
If you mean "use' then I agree. But it is always good to know what is stated because some will and can use the information against you later.

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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:37pm
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If the player fumbles the "toss" from the ref initially then you would readminister with no viloations. But if he has the ball and then loses it (as stated in the post) then the shooter has violated, the ball is dead, and we move to next shot.
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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:04pm
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We must look at weather this is a fumble or a muff. A fumble happens when a player has control and loses the ball. A muff was never under player control. In this case the player fumbled the ball and hence violated. Move on to the next shot as A1 has violated. (9.1.1)

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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:33pm
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If the player fumbles the "toss" from the ref initially then you would readminister with no violations. But if he has the ball and then loses it (as stated in the post) then the shooter has violated, the ball is dead, and we move to next shot.
This sounds like a casebook play, or a midyear interpretation, from a few years ago. Where's Nevaderef when you need him?

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Old Tue Dec 17, 2013, 10:58pm
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This sounds like a casebook play, or a midyear interpretation, from a few years ago.
It's part of the same case cited earlier (9.1.1)
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If you mean "use' then I agree. But it is always good to know what is stated because some will and can use the information against you later.

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I meant "need" (fixed).
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