Vid request-Uconn BC First half 1:55 (Clip Added)

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK, I just do not agree with you. And the call was not made that way and it is really not that big of a deal. When you work that game you make whatever damn call you want to make. I honestly do not give a damn. I know what I saw and I know what I feel about the play. I see this as a play on and you have yet to show me any directive of the freedom movement that addresses this specific action by the dribbler. Maybe because you are talking out of the place you often do when it comes to these issues. I am sure you see really good basketball in Oregon.

Peace

Why is this a play on? The defense player doesn't make contact. The offensive player displaces the defensive player. I am sure if the defense player would have extended his arm and displaced the offensive player you would have had a foul on him. Why does the offense get a pass?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Why is this a play on? The defense player doesn't make contact. The offensive player displaces the defensive player. I am sure if the defense player would have extended his arm and displaced the offensive player you would have had a foul on him. Why does the offense get a pass?

I did not say there was absolutely no contact. And contact in itself is not a foul guys. The rules for incidental contact did not go away with these new directives (that really are not new, just put directly in the rules in NCAA Men's). And in the official's position he felt right or wrong that the defender moved towards the ball handler. I do not agree with that call, but I can see why he made that call. And in my opinion the way the ball handler stopped the defender kept going backwards.

First of all I call more PC fouls than anyone on this site. If you do not believe me, I will show you tape. I almost never call blocks on these kinds of plays. So this crap about why the offense gets a pass is silly and stupid if you have either officiated with me or heard me give a presentation on these kinds of plays. I just do not think the movement was the cause of that arm. I think I have the right to feel that way. IT IS CALLED JUDGMENT!!!!! I think if he was pushed off, he would have fell down based on his momentum or he would have been totally off balance. He basically stayed in front of him and that is not a foul to me. Ball handlers often give the motion with their arm, that does not mean they displaced their opponent.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say there was absolutely no contact. And contact in itself is not a foul guys. The rules for incidental contact did not go away with these new directives (that really are not new, just put directly in the rules in NCAA Men's). And in the official's position he felt right or wrong that the defender moved towards the ball handler. I do not agree with that call, but I can see why he made that call. And in my opinion the way the ball handler stopped the defender kept going backwards.

First of all I call more PC fouls than anyone on this site. If you do not believe me, I will show you tape. I almost never call blocks on these kinds of plays. So this crap about why the offense gets a pass is silly and stupid if you have either officiated with me or heard me give a presentation on these kinds of plays. I just do not think the movement was the cause of that arm. I think I have the right to feel that way. IT IS CALLED JUDGMENT!!!!! I think if he was pushed off, he would have fell down based on his momentum or he would have been totally off balance. He basically stayed in front of him and that is not a foul to me. Ball handlers often give the motion with their arm, that does not mean they displaced their opponent.

Peace

What caused the movement? The defender was moving laterally, then arm extended, and moves backwards. Did the defender just start moving backwards on his own?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

What caused the movement? The defender was moving laterally, then arm extended, and moves backwards. Did the defender just start moving backwards on his own? Surely your not saying that this was incidental contact. If this is your judgment, then I must say in my opinion your judgment is not very good.

It is a block-charge play that you could argue either way.

Again this is about judgment. This is why when most clinicians evaluate officials they do not go around arguing whether a judgment was right or wrong. They often discuss why they saw on any given play. I would like to know why the official called this foul. After all he did have a differnet angle and called a block, not something I am arguing should have been called. I think the so-called "push off" you keep referencing was not much or any of a push off. Just because someone's arm moves does not make those situations a foul. And even in hand-checking, you have to affect RSBQ to have a foul. A simply touch where the arm is retreating or not extended does not necessarily fit the directives of the NCAA. I am once again not asking you to agree. I have just seen a lot of similar plays where I am not convinced the ball handler pushed off. Then again I have seen a lot of plays where I feel the dribbler pushed off and have called fouls based on that action. Usually making those calls gets you a lot of crap and a coach starts talking about how the defender was "moving." And yes, I am saying this play to me was nothing. It was two players basically bumping into each other with no clear advantage. I have a right to feel that way. I have seen this play before many times. If you want to call a foul, go right ahead. I would not honestly care because it is your judgment. That is after all why we get paid to make these decisions. And in a game 1920 seconds you can make a decision on any given play. This is just one of them and not a game changer either way. This call did not decide the game and the calling official (who I give more credit for) called a block on this play, not a PC foul like you and others suggest are the only way to go.

Peace