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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 01:52pm
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What you got?

A DOUBLE PF is called in frontcourt while A1 shot is in the air. Basket is good.

1) Count the basket?

2) Double PF = POI?

3) Since no Team Control due to shot in flight..NO POI BUT go to A/P?

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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 01:58pm
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It's not quite your situation, but it covers a double foul that occurs during a try.

You need to review what POI means, as one possibility is the AP arrow. 4-36-2
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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 01:58pm
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Yes, yes, no.

POI = B's ball with the run of the end-line.

There's a spcific case on this.

If the try was unsuccessful, go to the arrow -- and the inbounds spot is the spot of the foul.
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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 02:09pm
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Yes, yes, no.

POI = B's ball with the run of the end-line.

There's a spcific case on this.

If the try was unsuccessful, go to the arrow -- and the inbounds spot is the spot of the foul.
Thanks Bob..as always you lay it out clearly so we can understand the reasoning and not just say..look it up
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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 02:10pm
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Thanks Bob..as always you lay it out clearly so we can understand the reasoning and not just say..look it up
Too bad Bob won't be on the court the next time you need to go to the POI and you don't know the 3 options.
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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 02:18pm
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A DOUBLE PF is called in frontcourt while A1 shot is in the air. Basket is good.

1) Count the basket?

2) Double PF = POI?

3) Since no Team Control due to shot in flight..NO POI BUT go to A/P?

Thanks!
After ALL double fouls, you resume play at the POI. The POI is the AP arrow when there's no team control and when there's no made FG, end of period, or no infraction is involved.
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Old Sun Oct 20, 2013, 02:21pm
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After ALL double fouls, you resume play at the POI. The POI is the AP arrow when there's no team control and when there's no made FG, end of period, or no infraction is involved.
The goal being successful was the sticking point..thanks for the clarity
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 10:52am
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Yes, yes, no.

POI = B's ball with the run of the end-line.

There's a spcific case on this.

If the try was unsuccessful, go to the arrow -- and the inbounds spot is the spot of the foul.
I believe, in NFHS, the throw-in (inbounds spot) is the location of the ball for a Double Foul.
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 11:27am
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I believe, in NFHS, the throw-in (inbounds spot) is the location of the ball for a Double Foul.
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 12:01pm
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I believe, in NFHS, the throw-in (inbounds spot) is the location of the ball for a Double Foul.
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 01:53pm
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Thanks Bob..as always you lay it out clearly so we can understand the reasoning and not just say..look it up
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Too bad Bob won't be on the court the next time you need to go to the POI and you don't know the 3 options.
maven makes a good point. You'll get a lot of answers here that go beyond, "Here's the rule, see what you think." But the point is that unless you actually know the POI rule.

IOW, it's nice to have a little of both. That's what I got when I first started coming here, and it's served me well.
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 02:57pm
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Too bad Bob won't be on the court the next time you need to go to the POI and you don't know the 3 options.
This exactly.
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:26pm
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Thanks Bob..as always you lay it out clearly so we can understand the reasoning and not just say..look it up
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 03:55pm
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Too bad Bob won't be on the court the next time you need to go to the POI and you don't know the 3 options.
And of course this type of attitude toward someone who really wants to learn the correct ruling on a situation is soooo tremendously helpful. It really is one of the main reasons we do such a great job of keeping younger/newer officials around for such long careers.
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Old Mon Oct 21, 2013, 05:19pm
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And of course this type of attitude toward someone who really wants to learn the correct ruling on a situation is soooo tremendously helpful. It really is one of the main reasons we do such a great job of keeping younger/newer officials around for such long careers.
The bit you've quoted was not my first response. In post #2, I offered a case play and the rule that defines POI.

The OP complained that I was just telling him to "look it up."
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