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BillyMac Tue Sep 17, 2013 06:02am

Somebody's Got To Do It ...
 
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 905253)
"Good patience; good no call"

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only official who compliments himself during a game. I seldom get compliments from the crowd, or from the coaches. I wonder why not?

Raymond Tue Sep 17, 2013 06:59am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 905243)
You could be right. Even if he hadn't been pushed a little under the basket by the slight push, he didn't seem to be in a good rebounding position, or a good rebounding stance, before the slight push. He probably wasn't getting that rebound no matter what happened.

I wouldn't crucify anybody who called a foul on play #3. It would be a great post-game discussion point and learning tool about advantage/disadvantage and verticality, that's all.

#4, 2 players interlock equally, I don't see how one or other is more cupable.

JugglingReferee Tue Sep 17, 2013 08:33am

1. I am indifferent for a foul here. I do believe that B had position with his right foot. But the lean and shoulder was likely outside his cylinder against an airborne defender. I'm ok with a no-call here, but I'd lean slightly to a block.

2. Is the potential foul at the double screen up top? From what I can tell, I have nothing. But again, I'm ok with a foul call.

3. Looks like the foul is for white climbing black's back. I don't have a foul on this play. I've got a great effort though.

4. White foul. He initiated the arm lock. Tough for the L to see though. If one waited to see where the ball went, that's a great method for this level of play. At other levels, I say grab the white foul.

JetMetFan Tue Sep 17, 2013 09:18am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 905298)
#4, 2 players interlock equally, I don't see how one or other is more cupable.

#4 for me is a GM situation. On that 50-50 type of play at that point in the game with their athletic ability I’m not sure if I have a whistle but if I do, it’s going against the team that’s up 25.

Raymond Tue Sep 17, 2013 09:32am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 905307)
1. I am indifferent for a foul here. I do believe that B had position with his right foot. But the lean and shoulder was likely outside his cylinder against an airborne defender. I'm ok with a no-call here, but I'd lean slightly to a block.
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I'm always going to put a whistle on this. To me it sets a dangerous precedent to let defenders lean into airborne players, especially with above-the-rim play.

Adam Tue Sep 17, 2013 11:28am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 905149)
1. Foul and missed dunk helps make that call.

2. I am leaning towards foul, but it also looks like he jumps through the screen and I am wondering if that was because of the contact or because of the way he choose to jump through.

3. No foul

4. No foul, ball goes away from these players. It might be a GM foul where these players have been an issue or the game is chippy. But normally that is not a foul from me.

Peace

Agreed.

constable Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:47am

I've got a foul on the first one. The second one is a toss up.

The other 2 we are playing on.

Question- in FIBA they want rebounding falls to come from the outside. What are the NCAA and FED philosophies?


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