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Raymond Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:49am
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Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897850)
I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.
All the freezing is great, but bottomline is that Bosh blocked that shot first and the amount and type of contact that ensue did not rise to the level of a foul. I would no-call that in a HS varsity game and in my college games.

ballgame99 Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:50am
1) great no call, ball should have come back to SA though
2) tough play, ok with no call, probably would have been fine with a foul too
3) good no call, it looks like a lot of contact, but most of Green's backward motion is due to the force of the shot being blocked like it was, not body contact.

APG Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:52am
1. Play one was reviewed and overturned. The ball was given back to San Antonio.

jeschmit Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by MD Longhorn (Post 897850)
I have no dog in this hunt... and if I was rooting for anything at that moment, it was a tying 3 pointer just so we could see 5 more minutes of basketball.

But I'm honestly stunned at the seeming "good block" unanimity on the 3rd play.

At full speed, it seems rather obvious to me that Bosh gets a crapload of body blocking that shot.

At slo mo it's much more obvious
Freeze it at 22 - going straight up, looks good so far. Freeze it at 23, body contact already, shooter went straight up, Bosh did not and is moving into the shooter at decent speed. At 24, shooter, having been mugged, is flying out of bounds - and certainly not due to his own body motion, which was straight up before the contact.
How about the hellacious illegal screen on the primary defender before the shooter got the ball in the third clip?

1. Good no call. They corrected the OOB and gave it to SA.
2. Good no call. I know in NBA that's not a travel, but man did he cover a lot of ground without dribbling!
3. Good no call.

MD Longhorn Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by jeschmit (Post 897864)
How about the hellacious illegal screen on the primary defender before the shooter got the ball in the third clip?

1. Good no call. They corrected the OOB and gave it to SA.
2. Good no call. I know in NBA that's not a travel, but man did he cover a lot of ground without dribbling!
3. Good no call.
That screen didn't approach the level of the screen LBJ made earlier in the series - and THAT one had people disagreeing. I don't think this was an illegal screen at all (or a travel as noted above).

maroonx Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:29pm
Sinking a few free throws makes this all moot. That being said. Too much contact by the screener to free up Green to initiate the NBA travel. Don't understand no whistle by L, T, or C on that.

bainsey Wed Jun 19, 2013 03:20pm
1. Nothing.
2. Foul, Allen, for the same reasons Cam stated.
3. Nothing, clean.

Jay R Wed Jun 19, 2013 03:36pm
Regarding the Bosh block, I'm going with the minority here. The body contact occurred before the block. Usually, that results in a foul call.

Steven Tyler Thu Jun 20, 2013 01:46pm
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

It seems the purity of the NBA left when Detroit's Bad Boys play affected the way the game was played in the past.

That and the special treatment given to Michael Jordon. PR took the place of real fairness in the game giving some teams an unfair advantage.

I would like to hear the opinions of you basketball junkies on my points, even if you disagree. Any added opinions are fine too.

JRutledge Thu Jun 20, 2013 01:48pm
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897970)
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

It seems the purity of the NBA left when Detroit's Bad Boys play affected the way the game was played in the past.

That and the special treatment given to Michael Jordon. PR took the place of real fairness in the game giving some teams an unfair advantage.

I would like to hear the opinions of you basketball junkies on my points, even if you disagree. Any added opinions are fine too.
I think you are buying into media hype.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Jun 20, 2013 02:08pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 897971)
I think you are buying into media hype.

Peace
Except for the 48 minutes of play, I agree with you. During the regular season, too many players/teams mail it in. Particularly in the late season where you see teams tanking on purpose to increase their draft odds. How is that sport?

Adam Thu Jun 20, 2013 02:33pm
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Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897970)
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.

It seems the purity of the NBA left when Detroit's Bad Boys play affected the way the game was played in the past.

That and the special treatment given to Michael Jordon. PR took the place of real fairness in the game giving some teams an unfair advantage.

I would like to hear the opinions of you basketball junkies on my points, even if you disagree. Any added opinions are fine too.
Seems to me you're claiming the officials were intentionally cheating in favor of Jordan.

BillyMac Thu Jun 20, 2013 06:20pm
Broken Leg ??? What Broken Leg ???
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Tyler (Post 897970)
I'm more of an interested fan during the playoffs where they tend to play the whole 48 minutes.
If you want to see intense competition, watch the Stanley Cup finals, in fact, the entire Stanley Cup Tournament. Sixty minutes of action, night, after night, after night.

Steven Tyler Sat Jun 22, 2013 05:52pm
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 897993)
If you want to see intense competition, watch the Stanley Cup finals, in fact, the entire Stanley Cup Tournament. Sixty minutes of action, night, after night, after night.
I would agree if I liked hockey........but it is the time they don't look for any reason to fight, or the goons don't get ice time. I've never been a fan of two halftimes, but at least they skate sudden death overtime..

Steven Tyler Sat Jun 22, 2013 06:11pm
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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 897982)
Seems to me you're claiming the officials were intentionally cheating in favor of Jordan.
The NBA of the 90's was so watered down with mediocre teams, I guarantee you owners didn't want to see their cash cow sitting on the bench in foul trouble. Nor did they want to see him shooting 4-17 from the field with only 4 foul shot attempts.

Remember it took the greatest player "ever" 7 years to play on a championship team in the NBA. Not to mention his basketball owner letting him go play AA baseball for two years at one of White Sox MiLB affiliates amid rumors of gambling.

I'm not saying cheating, but the rules got bent plenty of times.


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